Why Hawaii gun death rate is only 20% of national average

[exGOPer]

Here's why:

Acquiring a firearm in Hawaii requires a permit to acquire, issued to qualified applicants by the county police chief.

There is a minimum 14- to 20-day waiting period for receiving a permit. A separate permit is required for each handgun(s) transaction to be acquired (valid for a period of 10 days), while a "long gun" permit can be used for any number of rifles or shotguns for a period of one year.

In addition to passing a criminal background check, applicants must provide an affidavit of mental health, and agree to release their medical records.

First time applicants must be fingerprinted by the FBI (fee applies).

When applying to acquire a handgun, a handgun safety training course affidavit or hunter's education card is also required

 

[Slartibartfast]

America has 50 states (yeah and a district and whatever) and each has laws.

This is a huge advantage, each state a laboratory providing lessons learned.

And despite this wealth of data, Trump looks at Sweden for answers. "Obama's" Hawaii he would not piss on if it were on fire.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Here's why:

Acquiring a firearm in Hawaii requires a permit to acquire, issued to qualified applicants by the county police chief.

There is a minimum 14- to 20-day waiting period for receiving a permit. A separate permit is required for each handgun(s) transaction to be acquired (valid for a period of 10 days), while a "long gun" permit can be used for any number of rifles or shotguns for a period of one year.

In addition to passing a criminal background check, applicants must provide an affidavit of mental health, and agree to release their medical records.

First time applicants must be fingerprinted by the FBI (fee applies).

When applying to acquire a handgun, a handgun safety training course affidavit or hunter's education card is also required

Not a fair conclusion because Hawaii has a different Demographic than the Mainland. The socio-economic profile of this island state is different than for other U.S. States.

It appears you found some statistics on Hawaii gun crime, represented the Hawaii gun control facts are the cause of these statistics, and created a conclusion that fit your narrative.

If your conclusion was valid, New York City and Chicago’s tough gun laws would provide comparable statistics to Hawaii, right?

Then again, what else are you to do when the you have an agenda and people just are not flocking to it the way you would like?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Not a fair conclusion because Hawaii has a different Demographic than the Mainland. The socio-economic profile of this island state is different than for other U.S. States.

It appears you found some statistics on Hawaii gun crime, represented the Hawaii gun control facts are the cause of these statistics, and created a conclusion that fit your narrative.

If your conclusion was valid, New York City and Chicago’s tough gun laws would provide comparable statistics to Hawaii, right?

Then again, what else are you to do when the you have an agenda and people just are not flocking to it the way you would like?

Chicago's laws are meaningless when in the neighboring state gun laws are weak and allow the Chicago criminals to obtain cheap ammo/disposable handguns.

Hawaii has that advantage, it is harder for such cheap weapons to leak in. In part a proof that Chicago's problem is fueled by unscrupulous neighbors.

It seems that the cons just don't want to look at what works in America already.

 

[exGOPer]

If your conclusion was valid, New York City and Chicago’s tough gun laws would provide comparable statistics to Hawaii, right?

Then again, what else are you to do when the you have an agenda and people just are not flocking to it the way you would like?

You are ignoring the point that having tough local laws aren't enough when your neighboring states have laws that completely neuter them. Hawaii doesn't have that problem, their tough gun laws cannot be neutered by states like Indiana.

And what is the agenda here exactly? A Trump supporter went on a mass killing spree and your side's only solution is to arm more of them.


Where the guns used in Chicago actually came from - Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-guns-used-in-chicago-actually-came-from/
Nov 7, 2017 - Many of the guns recovered in Chicago — a fifth of them — were purchased in Indiana, which abuts the city's eastern border. An additional 9 percent of the guns recovered in the city came from Mississippi and Wisconsin.

This pattern is not unique to Chicago. States with tougher gun laws often discover that places with more lax legislation are the source of many of the firearms used in crimes.

Last year, the attorney general of New York issued a report about the flow of guns into his state. Attorney General Eric Schneiderman identified what he called the “iron pipeline,” a string of East Coast states through which guns flowed into the state.

In New York City, for example, nearly 9 in 10 firearms come from out of state.

 

[gwb-trading]

You are ignoring the point that having tough local laws aren't enough when your neighboring states have laws that completely neuter them. Hawaii doesn't have that problem, their tough gun laws cannot be neutered by states like Indiana.

And what is the agenda here exactly? A Trump supporter went on a mass killing spree and your side's only solution is to arm more of them.


Where the guns used in Chicago actually came from - Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-guns-used-in-chicago-actually-came-from/
Nov 7, 2017 - Many of the guns recovered in Chicago — a fifth of them — were purchased in Indiana, which abuts the city's eastern border. An additional 9 percent of the guns recovered in the city came from Mississippi and Wisconsin. This pattern is not unique to Chicago. States with tougher gun lawsoften discover that ...

This points for the need for uniform gun laws across the entire nation. Cities and states should not have the ability to put in constraints more restrictive than federal law. The other side of coin is that the federal government needs to put in place practical and full gun regulations.

 

[exGOPer]

This points for the need for uniform gun laws across the entire nation. Cities and states should not have the ability to put in constraints more restrictive than federal law. The other side of coin is that the federal government needs to put in place practical and full gun regulations.

Your side doesn't make laws based on reason or logic, they make it based on feefees or in this case, for pure dollar motives. Tougher gun laws means less profits for the very lobbyists that fund Republican politicians and why would they cut off their own funding? After all, it's not their children that are dying, their kids are in highly guarded and secure gun free private schools.

 

[gwb-trading]

Your side doesn't make laws based on reason or logic, they make it based on feefees or in this case, for pure dollar motives. Tougher gun laws means less profits for the very lobbyists that fund Republican politicians and why would they cut off their own funding? After all, it's not their children that are dying, their kids are in highly guarded and secure gun free private schools.

Actually if you take a look at the public information you will find that nearly all the children of national Democratic politicians go to private schools.

But, of course, you are merely changing to topic here -- trying to claim that Republicans will not implement gun control due to claims they don't do "make law based on reason or logic" -- which is actually a Democratic problem where they pass laws which have no backing showing any public benefit for their cost.

 

[exGOPer]

Actually if you take a look at the public information you will find that nearly all the children of national Democratic politicians go to private schools.

Again you missed the point, Democratic politicians are not opposing stricter gun laws or reducing mental health funding or even basic school funding. Even if you assume they are faking their concern for others, there is atleast some considerations, Republicans just don't have any empathy, they develop conditional empathy only when something affects them personally. It's like the Kochs giving to cancer charity because one of them died from cancer while trying to starve poor people during an economic crash. Or some rural Kentucky voter loving Obamacare because it saved their lives while calling him a Marxist until then.

 

[Slartibartfast]

And argue forever and ever with the NRA who represents the gun manufacturers.

The new slogan for Colombia: "Cocaine does not kill people, people kill people, leave the cocaine alone".

I have an silly idea.. European/Asian etc. countries are often better because they are in a manageable scale 5-80 million range. The US states always blame the federal government when they don't want to do something.

So:
"As of 2016, there were 3,007 counties, 64 parishes, 18 organized boroughs, 11 census areas, 41 independent cities, and the District of Columbia for a total of 3,142 counties and county-equivalents in the United States."

Counties can set local ordinances. The federal gov could offer 50k per year bonus to the chief lawenforcers for 5 years. If there is no school shooting (by reasonable definition, not just a shooting near a school) they get the cash.

so.. 50k * 3142 is $471 million. A paltry amount per annum.


Just an idea, probably a bad one but hey..