Why everything you've been told about evolution is wrong

Science and the arts combined is greater than science alone...

Science and the arts, then combined with philosophy is even greater...

Quote from Ricter:

I meant "greater" quantitatively, sorry.
 
Quote from killthesunshine:

i'm not getting the diff? can you elaborate ?

Greater quantitatively, as in number of worldviews, not qualitatively, as in which one is best. I did notice you recognize there are more than one as well, so I think we're agreed there.
 
Quote from Ricter:

Greater quantitatively, as in number of worldviews, not qualitatively, as in which one is best. I did notice you recognize there are more than one as well, so I think we're agreed there.

there is only two actually.. SCIENCE/REASON and fantasy

join the 21st century, it's great place to be your still living DARK AGES where you think any stupid little idea that POPS into your dumb ass head is meaningful :D
 
Quote from killthesunshine:

there is only two actually.. SCIENCE/REASON and fantasy

join the 21st century, it's great place to be your still living DARK AGES where you think any stupid little idea that POPS into your dumb ass head is meaningful :D

The important thing is that you recognize there is more than one. Nowhere did I say or imply that I think "any" idea is meaningful.

We are approaching the qualitative perspective now, and I'm ready for that too.

Two smiley faces back at you. :D :D
 
Quote from Ricter:

The important thing is that you recognize there is more than one. Nowhere did I say or imply that I think "any" idea is meaningful.

We are approaching the qualitative perspective now, and I'm ready for that too.

Two smiley faces back at you. :D :D

"qualitative" burned hapless souls as witches. take your "qualitative" shove it

"It's not what you "know", it's what you can prove"
-training day :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Training_day_ver1.jpg
 
Quote from stu:

A thousand billion billion zeroes against, is evidence of a thousand billion billion zeroes against. It is not evidence of a creator (designer).

But even if there were a thousand billion billion zeroes against, there is a universe against any odds.

So what now the odds against a creator (designer) for which there is no such comparison of existence? Your bible odds making site not do that calc? Too many zeroes even for them?

The universe is evidence of a universe, nothing else.

The universe is everything a creator (designer) could be.
You want to see a designer while you're staring right into it.

Talk about can't see the wood for the trees.

the reason you do not see the significance of those zero's is because of your emotional atheism.

"Atheists" beholden to Science.... admit all those zero's from all those different constants and observations manifest that given our current science the universe we live in looks designed.

When you can understand an atheist and scientist like Dawkins on that point... you will will be free of your myths and emotionalism.

I realize this could take you a long time. Many times the last people from the cult to see the light are the ones who were most emotionally tied to their cult.

Its ok stu... every year there will be more facts showing you this universe looks designed. each time you read them you will wince and spasm... But you will eventually start secretly believing in the evidence for a designer while spouting your new religion the "multiverse".
 
Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Science and the arts combined is greater than science alone...

Science and the arts, then combined with philosophy is even greater...
That would depend on your aim. Science seeks to recognize and understand objective reality. Art is the subjective spin that seeks to add beauty in the eye of the beholder, whatever that beauty may be. The best art includes reality in some measure because that is the common ground upon which the artist seeks to bond with others, and perhaps evoke a similar emotional response although not necessarily. Art can blunt the sharp edges of reality or make them even more pronounced, depending on the intent and interpretation.

Although the best art incorporates reality together with a subjective element, the best science seeks to remain steadfastly objective. Unlike art, subjectivity does not add value to science. Subjectivity diminishes science's contribution. Perhaps the art in science is in the inspiration that leads to hypotheses that can then be objectively tested to confirm their validity, thereby adding value in the form of knowledge.

The philosophical component is one that may add meaning and context to our lives. As with art, it too is a subjective interpretation, that may or may not have a moral compass attached to it. However, philosophy cannot validate or invalidate science. It can only interpret its value in the scheme of life.
 
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