Why everything you've been told about evolution is wrong

[OPTIONAL777]

Oh sure. Life sprang magically from non life, then proceeded to change into man through random ignorant unguided chance over millions of years...

You can't even be intellectually honest...pathetic.

Quote from stu:

No, creationists like yourself have done that, evolution is nothing to do with causation for life. It never was

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from stu:

No, creationists like yourself have done that, evolution is nothing to do with causation for life. It never was

777, educate yourself then come on back and debate stu and I intelligently. we'll still be here

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Birds of a feather flock together...you and stu make quite a flock...

Quote from killthesunshine:

777, educate yourself then come on back and debate stu and I intelligently. we'll still be here

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Birds of a feather flock together...you and stu make quite a flock...

The problem here, 777, is you repeatedly MISREPRESENT evolution and the science behind it. you then create STRAWMEN out of your ignorance for the facts. hence my suggestion that you take a little time away to educate yourself. stu, and I, will be happy to engage you and your new found INTELLECTUAL enlightenment upon your return

 

[OPTIONAL777]

No, you repeatedly represent evolutionary as from some unguided random chance mechanism...and that is not a known fact.

Change is fact. The rest?

Try to answer these questions:

1. Why do life forms have an instinct for survival?
2. Why do life forms have the ability to adapt?
3. Why do life forms have a birth, limited life, and then death?
4. Why don't we have a compete detailed record of these transitions from one species to another?
5. Why is random taken as fact when random is just an admission of "we don't know."

Quote from killthesunshine:

The problem here, 777, is you repeatedly MISREPRESENT evolution and the science behind it. you then create STRAWMEN out of your ignorance for the facts. hence my suggestion that you take a little time away to educate yourself. stu, and I, will be happy to engage you and your new found INTELLECTUAL enlightenment upon your return

 

[Index piker]

Quote from stu:

To answer that, let me ask you something.

Flat Earth is neither a scientific fact or a theory right?
1)Gravity is a scientific fact and a2) theory right?
3)Evolution is a scientific fact and a 4)theory right?


So how come you are not asking OptionalZZzzz who says Gravity and Evolution are not a fact, "what is your point"??

Too bad you are unable to answer a question without engaging red herring distractions.

1)The phenomena known as gravity is just a collection of observations who's cause is far from understood but yes it is factually labeled gravity.

2) Sure there is a theory but the graviton is just as elusive as God. Strange you think one should be unquestioned and the other a sign of mental illness to entertain as possibly existing.

3) evolution is a meaningless collage of beliefs and observations

 

[jem]

Quote from killthesunshine:

His point is and always has been you and your ilk have NEVER provided credible evidence for creationism. Till then your just pissing in the wind

If you were not so blinded by your emotions - you would accept that even scientists who debate Christians admit that the universe does looked designed.

Here is a quote from one of et atheists to me.

"You really need to read Dawkins' book, The God Delusion, because you evidently don't even know what the arguments are. The fact that this subject continues to be debated by supposedly thinking people is downright sad."

So I see Dawkins speak on T.V. at UCSD and he admits that the universe looks designed to top physicists. He holds out hope of future discoveries.


But then I provided quotes from his book.... in which he admits that science has no answer for the fine tunings and that currently the universe looks designed to physicists.

What more do you einsteins need.
You are not physicists - so I provide quotes from physicists, nobel prize winners and PHD authors -- who are atheists - who agree the universe we live in looks designed.

Some speculate there could be a multiverse... but what the hell don't you guys know what evidence is?

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from jem:

If you were not so blinded by your emotions - you would accept that even scientists who debate Christians admit that the universe does looked designed.

Here is a quote from one of et atheists to me.

"You really need to read Dawkins' book, The God Delusion, because you evidently don't even know what the arguments are. The fact that this subject continues to be debated by supposedly thinking people is downright sad."

So I see Dawkins speak on T.V. at UCSD and he admits that the universe looks designed to top physicists. He holds out hope of future discoveries.


But then I provided quotes from his book.... in which he admits that science has no answer for the fine tunings and that currently the universe looks designed to physicists.

What more do you einsteins need.
You are not physicists - so I provide quotes from physicists, nobel prize winners and PHD authors -- who are atheists - who agree the universe we live in looks designed.

Some speculate there could be a multiverse... but what the hell don't you guys know what evidence is?

"Looks designed" is a personal opinion but not proof or evidence of anything. All around us all our lives all we've SEEN are designers and their designs. We have know that an automobile has a designer. We know a computer has a designer. We have LEARNED to expect complexity to have a designer, and as a consequence that is our BIAS as modern humans.

Do you have any real evidence to share?

 

[OPTIONAL777]

So we have seen designs, and we recognize design...but life itself with all its compexity and durability and survivability and the universe with all its stability and complexity and diversity and sustainablity came from non design because...because...because..."there can't be a designer...cause if there was a designer or programmer he would have come to me and introduced himself to me, or made himself knowable to be somehow because I am logical and I demand proof of a designer of the whole universe and everything within it before I am going to believe that the universe could be the product of design?"

That's your position in a nutshell...

Could you at least try to be logical for a change?

Quote from killthesunshine:

"Looks designed" is a personal opinion but not proof or evidence of anything. All around us all our lives all we've SEEN are designers and their designs. We have know that an automobile has a designer. We know a computer has a designer. We have LEARNED to expect complexity to have a designer, and as a consequence that is our BIAS as modern humans.

Do you have any real evidence to share?

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

So we have seen designs, and we recognize design...but life itself with all its compexity and durability and survivability and the universe with all its stability and complexity and diversity and sustainablity came from non design because...because...because..."there can't be a designer...cause if there was a designer or programmer he would have come to me and introduced himself to me, or made himself knowable to be somehow because I am logical and I demand proof of a designer of the whole universe and everything within it before I am going to believe that the universe could be the product of design?"

That's your position in a nutshell...

Could you at least try to be logical for a change?

You need to read more carefully try to get around your cognitive biases.

We've grown up to ASSUME a designer because of all the designed objects in our lives. (You claim a rock is designed but a rock's complexity wasn't apparent or foreknown to early man)

But this isn't proof of an omnipotent omniscient ultimate designer to the stars (pun intended) There are many more processes that operate BELOW our senses or intuition. For that your going to have to submit smthg a little more