Why everything you've been told about evolution is wrong

[trendlover]

Quote from FeenixRizin:

huh? the vatican?


this effects me how?


why i surround myself by gross stupidity is another question

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I ask you what is private assembly. What is that? What is the doctrine? What is the rules for the private assembly? Is the freedom to speak of private assembly people take away?
You say stupid to me, but you think is ok to take away someone freedom to speak?

 

[trendlover]

Look at this again Feenix. http://ncse.com/news/2010/04/evangelical-scholar-expelled-over-evolution-005432

Is freedom of private assembly? This is the man who think different opinion of his group and express this. He is PERSECUTED for his thinking. NO DIFFERENT than communism. YOU stop you ignorance, and YOU stop saying that is young ignorance and liberal. You do not read this link and see OPRESSION of freedom to speak?

 

[FeenixRizin]

Quote from trendlover:

Look at this again Feenix. http://ncse.com/news/2010/04/evangelical-scholar-expelled-over-evolution-005432

Is freedom of private assembly? This is the man who think different opinion of his group and express this. He is PERSECUTED for his thinking. NO DIFFERENT than communism. YOU stop you ignorance, and YOU stop saying that is young ignorance and liberal. You do not read this link and see OPRESSION of freedom to speak?

1000 apologies ... you probably know it as the '"right to assemble"


(by the the way... you represent the death of freedom.. and death of liberty . )


... to restate it .. young, ignorant and liberal is no way to go through life

 

[FeenixRizin]

my definition of liberal is this ...

A USEFUL-IDIOT WHO DEFERS TO THEIR UNGODLY OVERLORDS

 

[stu]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Evolution is a not a fact, it is a theory. A guess of what is causing and affecting life.

Gravity is a guess of some unknown force, not a fact of direct observation.

So to try and pretend evolution is not a fact in evidence, your argument now is... gravity isn't a fact.

What's the next desparate claim from creationism?...will it be the word fact is in fact not a word??

 

[dcraig]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:


Gravity is a guess of some unknown force, not a fact of direct observation. Something is going on, but is it a force that interacts on one body, or one body influencing another body. A consequence of physical relationships, not a force that would exist on its own. What creates gravity? Scientists don't have a clue. They have never measured gravity as a force, as it is not measurable. All they can do it measure movement of mass, and guess that something called "gravity" is there. There are photons, electrons, neutrons, atoms, plenty of sub atomic particles...but are there gravitrons (sp)? Nope. Forces and fields are just mental constructs not facts. The ideas give one possible explanation, but certainly there are other logical possibilities.

Try jumping off a tall building. Far from being "unknown" you will very rapidly come to be on intimate terms with gravity. Furthermore the duration of your small remaining period in this life can be calculated quite accurately.

I would also remind you that an electron for example is not a baby pool ball. Sometimes a wave, sometimes a particle. Or is that a function of the observer? You can no more measure it "directly" than you can gravity. (Whatever "directly" means).

 

[OPTIONAL777]

So to try and pretend you know what is the cause and mechanics of the emergence of life when you don't actually know, so your argument now is....gravity is a fact?

LOL!!!

Hey Webster, get a spell checker....

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source...q=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f

Seriously, it is so reflective of your dogmatism and fundamentalist tendencies to couch the discussion in a fallacy of false dilemma.

There are more than two possibilities out there, more than just the mechanical mindless chance driven evolution, and the King James version of Creation...I reject them both, as both positions are terribly flawed.

I wonder if you will ever mature beyond such a simplistic black and white view of mindless evolution versus Old Testament...

Quote from stu:

So to try and pretend evolution is not a fact in evidence, your argument now is... gravity isn't a fact.

What's the next desparate claim from creationism?...will it be the word fact is in fact not a word??

 

[Ricter]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

...There are more than two possibilities out there, more than just the mechanical mindless chance driven evolution, and the King James version of Creation...I reject them both, as both positions are terribly flawed...

But how do you know they are flawed?

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Because when there are other possibilities, to take an either or position, pitting them against each other is flawed logic...

Quote from Ricter:

But how do you know they are flawed?

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Don't know about you, but I am heavier than air, so no thanks...

An electron is always an electron, right?

Just as H2O is sometimes in a liquid state, sometimes solid, sometimes solid...what is your point again?

LOL!!!

Look, if we boil it down, every theory of man can not be tested against anything but the mind of man, any thought of pure objectivity when the human mind is involved is specious...

Quote from dcraig:

Try jumping off a tall building. Far from being "unknown" you will very rapidly come to be on intimate terms with gravity. Furthermore the duration of your small remaining period in this life can be calculated quite accurately.

I would also remind you that an electron for example is not a baby pool ball. Sometimes a wave, sometimes a particle. Or is that a function of the observer? You can no more measure it "directly" than you can gravity. (Whatever "directly" means).