"Why did I spend $85,000 to support Ron Paul ?"

The point, ZZZzzzzzzz, is that the decisions being made at the state level are one level closer to the people most affected. Therefore they will possibly be more able to affect a change in the law if it does not suit them. A one size fits all approach form Washington D.C. is less preferable than 50 sizes. That is all. You seem to have some dogmatics of your own.
 
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1. Ron Paul is against abortion because he thinks it is murder and/or because of his religious beliefs that says abortion is wrong.

2. He wants states to decide if people get to murder others? One state decides it is okay to murder in his mind and that's cool in Paul's eyes because the state said it was okay to murder, not the federal government? What if the state says owning slaves is okay? What about the state abolishing child labor laws, yada, yada, yada...

You can't see the inconsistency?

Geez...

I think the points are probably too subtle for the dogmatically inclined...

I love this quote:

"If you consulted Ron Paul as a doctor, you would be lucky to leave with all your limbs. The man is not an incrementalist."

---Robert Stein---
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Ron Paul was an obstetrician for christ's sake

if he were pro choice, you'd still be calling inconsistency, probably even moreso

i've always tended toward choice in my personal view, but i'm willing to accept his position in the context of his overall platform
 
So Paul thinks abortion is wrong because of his religious beliefs, thinks that it is murder...but doesn't want to restrict local levels from allowing murder?



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The point, ZZZzzzzzzz, is that the decisions being made at the state level are one level closer to the people most affected. Therefore they will possibly be more able to affect a change in the law if it does not suit them. A one size fits all approach form Washington D.C. is less preferable than 50 sizes. That is all. You seem to have some dogmatics of your own.
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So he delivered babies...you have a point?

Now he is a politician seeking the power of the presidency...

Apparently delivering babies and being a doctor wasn't enough power over life and death, now he has the ambition of being president.

It just cracks me up to see the ET clones suck off this guys hind teat...those same clones who hate authority but want to make an authority figure out of Paul.



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Ron Paul was an obstetrician for christ's sake

if he were pro choice, you'd still be calling inconsistency, probably even moreso

i've always tended toward choice in my personal view, but i'm willing to accept his position in the context of his overall platform
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I don't know if he would try to restrict abortion at the local level. You might notice I have already implied as much. I doubt he would since he is running for President and is very clear that the federal government should not be involved. That doesn't mean he can't have a personal position on that, or any other matter.

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So Paul thinks abortion is wrong because of his religious beliefs, thinks that it is murder...but doesn't want to restrict local levels from allowing murder?
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i can't tell if you're purposely obtuse or just dumb zzz. our points are laid out as simply and unemotionally as possible. if you don't get it, reread. or just sleep it off man. you sound drunk
 
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Take away religious beliefs, and universal truth changes dramatically...

Take away the soul aspect, and it is no longer a form of human life, it is simply a potential human life.

Look, until such time that either the government or the anti-abortion crowd is going to ensure that all unwanted fetuses who are forced to term against the mother's will are properly fed, clothed, and educated until their full maturity, it is actually against a "universal truth" to deny a woman's wishes and then take no responsibility for the birth and life of a child.

When the government sees that its job is to control the reproductive process of a woman...then we are back to treating a woman as something that can be, and needs to be controlled by the government.

Really no different that limiting the number of children that a woman can bear, how often she can try to get pregnant, etc.

A real Libertarian would be against the government doing anything to control and regulate a woman's right to choose...
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Libertarianism is all about accepting personal responsibility.

We are not removing or restricting any woman's choice's. She is still in control all her reproduction.

Pro-chioce people seem to forget that abortion is the second choice, the first choice is taking risks of getting pregnant.

A womens first choice is hers' to choose without harm, unfortunately the second choice does harm the rights of another entity.

This is not an issue about soul or religion, Once we accept that this human form(blob) is the same as us, it deserves its' inalienable rights to life liberty and happiness
 
I attack Pauls positions, and what do you do?

Personally attack me.

Par for the ET course...

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i can't tell if you're purposely obtuse or just dumb zzz. our points are laid out as simply and unemotionally as possible. if you don't get it, reread. or just sleep it off man. you sound drunk
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So what if the first choice by the woman that led to the pregnancy was a mistake?

What if she is poor and can't afford decent contraceptives?

She can't take steps to fix the "mistake" because other people force her not to?

That ain't liberty...you are

Facism, pure and simple...

"We are not removing or restricting any woman's choice's."

Love the "we" aspect, it is so telling...

Oh, and a fetus is no more a human being than a fertilized egg is a chicken...



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Libertarianism is all about accepting personal responsibility.

We are not removing or restricting any woman's choice's. She is still in control all her reproduction.

Pro-chioce people seem to forget that abortion is the second choice, the first choice is taking risks of getting pregnant.

A womens first choice is hers' to choose without harm, unfortunately the second choice does harm the rights of another entity.

This is not an issue about soul or religion, Once we accept that this human form(blob) is the same as us, it deserves its' inalienable rights to life liberty and happiness
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