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Quote from Godshock:

Singularity

theory = an exposition of the abstract principles of a science or art considered apart from practise; hypothesis; philosophical explanation of moral or physical phenomena.

faith = belief; trust in the honesty and truth of another; the assent of the mind to Divine revelation; unshaken adherence; fidelity; honesty; a system of doctrines or tenets.

You say tomato, I say tomatoe.
 
Quote from stu:

The fact is… non of it is a fact! For goodness sakes don’t make things too absurd. Genesis is bad enough as it is
A 20 or 30 month old babbie will talk and give animal names but you can't expect it to have enough knowledge to choose to be obedient.

Stu, it's "baby". Anyway, the fact is, you can not say "none" of it is a fact. Just because you personally struggle with the book of Genesis does not mean it is not true, or it is as you say "bad enough"-- that is YOUR opinion and in no way diminishes it's validity.

Adam was a man-- not a 20 or 30 month-old baby. He was more responsible for his actions. His choice to be disobedient was self-directed; even to the point that he was not willing to take responsibilty for his actions, but chose to blame it on Eve.

There's nothing absurd about what I am saying; the absurdity is expressed by you because you disrespect me by trying to discredit my beliefs.
 
Quote from Godshock:

That concept of god is flawed, a more accurate description of god would be existence itself.. the pure energy (mental in nature) that is all..

Now the problem with being all and everything is you cannot attain awareness, there is nothing else to compare yourself to.. hence the universe must be projected into a lower dimension of duality where comparison and experience are possible to develop consciousness and self awareness

That is what we are.. tiny aspects of god (energy/existence) becoming self aware

That concept is flawed.
Really flawed. :D
Try this:
We are all and everything without any problems.
No problem!
Until curiosity would like to explore the dark side, the empty side, the nothing side.
Until curiosity combines light and dark, full and empty, everything and nothing.
The rest is history.
The rest is an oxymoron.
The rest is a paradox.
The rest is hell.

So here we are, all of everything having somehow lost the totality of awareness, having to learn to become Self-aware again.

Christ!
 
Quote from killthesunshine:

i can't even believe that, as the most intelligent life in the universe, we are even discussing such nonsense.

eating an apple is a sin, isn't this what they tell us to eat ??!

eating a bacon cheesebuger now that's sinful LOL :

a crime against nature :p

No. The sin is that they asked to supersize the apple. :D

So, now we seem to be worming our way through a super hologram.

There is a certain sense of guilt for eating something so overblown.

Nothing that can't be forgiven.

Christ!
 
Quote from oddiduro:

That is what is so peculiar. We are his greatest creation, but he puts a tree in a garden, knowing what would happen, so he can throw his greatest creation out of it, and drown most of it later on.

Where are the faithful on this subject, I have an open mind:)

Open mind, eh?
Here goes.

The genesis of Hebrew lore is a confusing mishmash of propaganda coming from the collective subconscious. Someone wrote it down. Many believe it, though it is very confusing, because it comes from the collective subconscious. Many can *relate* to it, because many are confused. The collective subconscious itself is confused.

The fact is, the world begins in confusion. That should be clear from Hebrew lore. Which is why the house of Israel is "lost". The essential ingredients relative to the confusion are there in the story:

Creation
Sleep
Separation
Differences
Temptation
Knowledge of Life vs. "knowledge" of life and death.
Knowledge of GooD vs. "knowledge" of good and evil.
Choices
Agreement
Deception
Tricks
Set-ups
Guilt
Hiding
Concealment
Blame
Loss
Multiplication

These themes comprise the genesis of "the world" of time [think: "in the beginning"...of time].
Hebrew genesis lore, however, utterly mixes up the order of cause and effect.
The order is mixed up because the genesis of the world is the reversing of cause and effect.
So,
Biblical genesis functions more like propoganda for the world's greatest conspiracy theory.
It functions like a false flag.
It serves to decieve, from the very first sentence.
Thus, by the time one get's to the snake dialogue, the reader has already swallowed deception.
The snake dialogue begins with the very first sentence:
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth".
This is the big lie.
Whoever "created" the heavens and the earth feels guilty for it, and is looking to blame, cover, conceal, hide.
Man is made to blame.
Man is the "fall guy".
But as the finger points, three point back at the maker(s).
As man is blamed, man blames.
In this way, man is made in the image of his maker.

But as I have said, the genesis of the world is the reversing of cause and effect. It seems that the maker makes man. But the truth is more like: Man makes the maker. Closer to the truth is: Mind makes a maker to re-make itself according to a self-concept. In this way, mind reverses cause and effect by decieving itself into thinking it is made by what it made. Such is the plight of man. Man feels guilty not because he is complicit in the making of what is really just hell.

Man believes he is made by a gOd or by "nature" [ie. dirt, slime, spontaneous combustion...whatever]. But in fact, man is man-made...so-to-speak. Man is made by his own mind. The mind is not man. But flesh is actually a mind-trick...mind...toying with its power. In this case, it is power toying with powerlessness...thus reversing cause and effect. This is utterly self-deceptive.

It may sound strange, but when you have as much power as the Son of God, this is considered f.u.n. [think: unconscious fun, mind asleep]. Big toys for big boys, so-to-speak. Why did Houdini wrap himself with chains and lock himself in dark boxes underwater? No one really knows.

And so goes the genesis of the world. The world is a dark box in which is wrapped the Son of God, whose mind is chained down to false beliefs about himself, ignorant to his power. And just as he is about to succumb to ogygen depletion, he escapes, having found the power he always had.

Sound like fun? Ever heard the phrase, "hell, I'll try anything once?" That is an ancient echo from the past. It's an attitude, not exactly sane, but hey, you only live forever, right? So why not die once. This requires a major, MAJOR, self deception campaign. And that is all the world really is: the world's greatest conspiracy theory.

Inside every man is locked and chained up the Son of God, waiting for release. Each man has the power to release him, but for millenia of self depreciating programming. Man is the picture of low self esteem. The gospel is for awakening "the giant within".

And, Oh what a Giant!

Christ!
 
Quote from Godpod:

No you didn't read it properly.. it was never lost.. we never had the awareness in the first place.. it's one of the attributes of oneness that you cannot know the self without a point of comparison.. that's the job of individuation and evolution in a plane of duality

Theres a flaw in this apple. :D
Read my previous post [above] and see what I mean.
What you are proposing is really a temptation.
That argument is an echo from the past.
The All-Knowing needs all kinds of plausible sounding theories about why he should wrap himself with mental chains and lock himself in a dark box for gOd knows how long.
*Our Father* gave us total awareness as an attribute of the totality of everything that he gave us.
We are just toying with what he gave us, gunning the engines, so-to-speak.
When you have total power, the only game in town is powerlessness.
When you know everything, the only other game is to learn all about nothing.

Christ!
 
Quote from Godpod:

Pointless arguing with a born again, it's just irrational drivel driven by faith

I've merely turned the tables on your own irrational faith-driven drivel.

Christ!
 
Quote from stockerup:

Stu, it's "baby". Anyway, the fact is, you can not say "none" of it is a fact. Just because you personally struggle with the book of Genesis does not mean it is not true, or it is as you say "bad enough"-- that is YOUR opinion and in no way diminishes it's validity.
I visited Ireland they pronounce it 'babbie' -sounded nice.
Nevertheless, struggling is in trying to reconcile a preposterous fairy tale with reality, arguing someone with no knowledge can know things. Such things diminish their own validity.

Quote from stockerup:

Adam was a man-- not a 20 or 30 month-old baby. He was more responsible for his actions. His choice to be disobedient was self-directed; even to the point that he was not willing to take responsibility for his actions, but chose to blame it on Eve.
Adam is a fictional character in a story book. With no knowledge Adam cannot know what is obedient or disobedient. Choosing to blame Eve was after he got knowledge.

Quote from stockerup:

There's nothing absurd about what I am saying; the absurdity is expressed by you because you disrespect me by trying to discredit my beliefs.
If you don't want your beliefs to be discredited, then you shouldn't have such discreditable beliefs.
In Genesis there are absurd suggestions based on the deceit of a God and a double crossing talking snake.

May I ask, are you a grown man with knowledge? Then why would you apparently allow yourself to choose a story of deceit as an acceptable grounding for faith in a dubious moral standard of blind obedience, to believe something your intellect would more reasonably cause you to reject ?
 
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