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Quote from stu:

I visited Ireland they pronounce it 'babbie' -sounded nice.
Nevertheless, struggling is in trying to reconcile a preposterous fairy tale with reality, arguing someone with no knowledge can know things. Such things diminish their own validity.

Adam is a fictional character in a story book. With no knowledge Adam cannot know what is obedient or disobedient. Choosing to blame Eve was after he got knowledge.

If you don't want your beliefs to be discredited, then you shouldn't have such discreditable beliefs.
In Genesis there are absurd suggestions based on the deceit of a God and a double crossing talking snake.

May I ask, are you a grown man with knowledge? Then why would you apparently allow yourself to choose a story of deceit as an acceptable grounding for faith in a dubious moral standard of blind obedience, to believe something your intellect would more reasonably cause you to reject ?


Well, Stu, the disrespect from you continues-- now you're being judgmental toward someone you do not know. That is a very childish act.

My beliefs are not discreditable-- they have been proven time and time again in people's lives all around the world, and have the staying-power of over 2000 years.

By the way, I just went to Ireland recently and guess what, there are people there who have a heart for God-- that was nice.
 
Quote from stockerup:

Well, Stu, the disrespect from you continues-- now you're being judgmental toward someone you do not know. That is a very childish act.

My beliefs are not discreditable-- they have been proven time and time again in people's lives all around the world, and have the staying-power of over 2000 years.

By the way, I just went to Ireland recently and guess what, there are people there who have a heart for God-- that was nice.
How exactly is asking questions of you being judgemental ?

I don't agree that fictional tales with extremely dubious and questionable moral standards within them are the right basis for a belief or faith in them. No matter how many times they are used in a misuse of the word proof in lives around the world. You call that disrespect , I don't.
Blind belief where no outside reasoning appeals to you is not really proof of much in my view. It is belief however which is certainly discreditable

btw I notice in Northern Ireland they also have a murderous hate for those who don’t have their particular heart for God ….how nice is that.
 
Quote from stu:

How exactly is asking questions of you being judgemental ?

I don't agree that fictional tales with extremely dubious and questionable moral standards within them are the right basis for a belief or faith in them. No matter how many times they are used in a misuse of the word proof in lives around the world. You call that disrespect , I don't.
Blind belief where no outside reasoning appeals to you is not really proof of much in my view. It is belief however which is certainly discreditable

btw I notice in Northern Ireland they also have a murderous hate for those who don’t have their particular heart for God ….how nice is that.

Stu, A personal relationship is not blind belief.

The Ireland thing is not nice-- that is extremely sad. It's just another example of how people can use God for their own agenda.

No need to debate anymore-- the conclusion is that we disagree with each other.

One final word: Try seeking out a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He will give you joy and happiness unlike anything you have ever experienced, a new reason and purpose to live, and hope, not only in the life to come, but here and now.

I wish you the best.
 
Quote from killthesunshine:

a personal relationship with a supernatural being is not blind belief? :D

No. It is an experience entered into by faith.

Every time you fly in an airplane you step on the plane in faith. Then you experience the flight.
 
Quote from I am...:

Open mind, eh?
Here goes.

The genesis of Hebrew lore is a confusing mishmash of propaganda coming from the collective subconscious. Someone wrote it down. Many believe it, though it is very confusing, because it comes from the collective subconscious. Many can *relate* to it, because many are confused. The collective subconscious itself is confused.

The fact is, the world begins in confusion. That should be clear from Hebrew lore. Which is why the house of Israel is "lost". The essential ingredients relative to the confusion are there in the story:

Creation
Sleep
Separation
Differences
Temptation
Knowledge of Life vs. "knowledge" of life and death.
Knowledge of GooD vs. "knowledge" of good and evil.
Choices
Agreement
Deception
Tricks
Set-ups
Guilt
Hiding
Concealment
Blame
Loss
Multiplication

These themes comprise the genesis of "the world" of time [think: "in the beginning"...of time].
Hebrew genesis lore, however, utterly mixes up the order of cause and effect.
The order is mixed up because the genesis of the world is the reversing of cause and effect.
So,
Biblical genesis functions more like propoganda for the world's greatest conspiracy theory.
It functions like a false flag.
It serves to decieve, from the very first sentence.
Thus, by the time one get's to the snake dialogue, the reader has already swallowed deception.
The snake dialogue begins with the very first sentence:
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth".
This is the big lie.
Whoever "created" the heavens and the earth feels guilty for it, and is looking to blame, cover, conceal, hide.
Man is made to blame.
Man is the "fall guy".
But as the finger points, three point back at the maker(s).
As man is blamed, man blames.
In this way, man is made in the image of his maker.

But as I have said, the genesis of the world is the reversing of cause and effect. It seems that the maker makes man. But the truth is more like: Man makes the maker. Closer to the truth is: Mind makes a maker to re-make itself according to a self-concept. In this way, mind reverses cause and effect by decieving itself into thinking it is made by what it made. Such is the plight of man. Man feels guilty not because he is complicit in the making of what is really just hell.

Man believes he is made by a gOd or by "nature" [ie. dirt, slime, spontaneous combustion...whatever]. But in fact, man is man-made...so-to-speak. Man is made by his own mind. The mind is not man. But flesh is actually a mind-trick...mind...toying with its power. In this case, it is power toying with powerlessness...thus reversing cause and effect. This is utterly self-deceptive.

It may sound strange, but when you have as much power as the Son of God, this is considered f.u.n. [think: unconscious fun, mind asleep]. Big toys for big boys, so-to-speak. Why did Houdini wrap himself with chains and lock himself in dark boxes underwater? No one really knows.

And so goes the genesis of the world. The world is a dark box in which is wrapped the Son of God, whose mind is chained down to false beliefs about himself, ignorant to his power. And just as he is about to succumb to ogygen depletion, he escapes, having found the power he always had.

Sound like fun? Ever heard the phrase, "hell, I'll try anything once?" That is an ancient echo from the past. It's an attitude, not exactly sane, but hey, you only live forever, right? So why not die once. This requires a major, MAJOR, self deception campaign. And that is all the world really is: the world's greatest conspiracy theory.

Inside every man is locked and chained up the Son of God, waiting for release. Each man has the power to release him, but for millenia of self depreciating programming. Man is the picture of low self esteem. The gospel is for awakening "the giant within".

And, Oh what a Giant!

Christ!

Brother, as I do not know if you are a Christ I will call you Phil:)

Phil,

You suggest that we are all the one being, experiencing a three dimensional video game for the experience of mortality. Is this correct?

To make it more interesting, we have thrown ourselves into a maze and then forgot the map, so that we could find our way out.

This game is made in artificial time so that we could feel artificial pressure to give us some sort of stimulus. That way we could experience something as we are immortal and eternal.

So, tell me, where is it that we came from? Where is our home? We are sentient, so we had to have come from somewhere before we got here, now, where is that place?
 
Quote from stockerup:

No. It is an experience entered into by faith.

Every time you fly in an airplane you step on the plane in faith. Then you experience the flight.

"People who talk to god are religious.People who say god talks back to them are schizophrenic."--unknown
 
Quote from stockerup:

No. It is an experience entered into by faith.

Every time you fly in an airplane you step on the plane in faith. Then you experience the flight.

"Faith" is nothing more than belief in the odds.

Everytime i step into an airplane i accept REAL risk. I can calculate the real odds.

And I accept the risk that I may not be safe and I am wrong in this instance.

How do you calculate the odds in a supernatural being?
 
Quote from stockerup:

One final word: Try seeking out a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He will give you joy and happiness unlike anything you have ever experienced, a new reason and purpose to live, and hope, not only in the life to come, but here and now.

I wish you the best.
what you feel is just an emotion not unlike a child that has an imaginary friend that he can relate too. it is not based on reality.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070307161756.htm
Every parent of a young child knows how emotionally attached children can become to a soft toy or blanket that they sleep with every night.New research, published today in the international journal Cognition, suggests that this might be because children think the toy or blanket has a unique property or ‘essence’.
 
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