Who's fault is subprime.............

Quote from Trader666:

OK, I'll loan you both $1 million but only if you meet me at the Wall Street Bull tomorrow at noon.

Give yourself a bonus and some bailout $$$!!
 
Quote from MarketMasher:

So...how does signing your name in triplicate equate to understanding the math to figure out what happens when your ARM resets?:confused:

What about the clown who pulls the contract out of his briefcase to hand over for signature?

How the hell would you ever go through a closing if you don't understand the terms of your loan? It's only the most important financial purchase of your life. I can't believe people won't read a contract yet want to buy a home. Have you ever bought a house? The contract the clown bank produces at closing takes a little more than a few minutes to sign. Just sat through one in April and it took about 2 hours from start to finish.
 
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How the hell would you ever go through a closing if you don't understand the terms of your loan? It's only the most important financial purchase of your life. I can't believe people won't read a contract yet want to buy a home. Have you ever bought a house? The contract the clown bank produces at closing takes a little more than a few minutes to sign. Just sat through one in April and it took about 2 hours from start to finish.

Oh you are absolutely correct that they were robbing that money - and a lot of them knew it too.

But it takes 2 to tango - and not caring if John Q 6Pack was actually going to pay back that loan is the other half of the deal.
 
The four biggest problem areas for housing (by price decreases) are: Phoenix, Arizona; Las Vegas, Nevada; Miami, Florida, and San Diego, California. Explain exactly how these affluent, non-minority regions were impacted by the Community Reinvesment

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R u f(*& kidding me.. LOL. I gues you do not travel much.
I Lived in South Beach, Miami....Far less afluent by population and far more "Minority" in population than you seem to know about.

I go to Vegas often, Most locals are not "Affluent". There are less minorities in Vegas than say, Miami.

I' m in LA often as well, the whole state of Cali has a huge Minority Population, Affluent pockets yes. But a huge "Latin" population, HUGE!!!!!!!

THE COMMUNITY REINVESMENT ACT was design for "POOR". Not a specific Group.

Look at the Forclosed properties and those in the process. Look at the % of homes in price ranges.

That tells you the story, you don't have to be a racist to read between the lines there guy.

Sure, some upscale homes are involved but not the majority in %
 
It pains me to see you guys teetering on the edge of disaster BUT.
The banks can't really issue billions of new shares because hardly anybody wants to buy them. The underwriters certainly don't want to be lumbered with them.
The rescue package may not be perfect but it's ALL the USA has got to get back on track imho. The barn door is half shut now but must have the House of Reps close it before what's left of the economy disappears.
The "religious nut" view that the economy must somehow heal itself without any medicine is plainly ridiculous and highly dangerous.
If the world's economic driving force commits suicide then we are all f*cked good and proper.
Buffett is happy grabbing large slices of GE etc. but it's definately not the answer to the man in the street wanting to meet his bills. It's the rednecks that say tough luck to the "trailer trash" !!
Do the decent thing US Reps for the majority of Americans and it's the right thing to do too luckily.

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I think a large part of the problem is media advertising that you and anyone else can have a champagne lifestyle on a warm beer budget.

“Unless you own a flash car or a large boat you are just a loser in life.”
Not said in so many words but the glossy magazine pictures tell it that way.

Young kids leaving home feel they need the latest of everything so they are acceptable by their mates.

When I was a kid, there wasn’t the pressure of the media which there is today. I could drive a clapped out second hand car then and you were cool, at least you had a car.

These days the media paints a picture that you need the latest this that and everything.
Gotta have the latest trendy clothes, car, house, boat, furniture, chic, mobile phone, TV……goes on and on.

If only the media would STFU !
 
Quote from Mecro:

This is a naive outlook.

1) The 700 billion IS NOT FOR THE MORTGAGES. It's for the worthless paper

2) Why were banks pushing mortgages so much? Because they were leveraging them to sell crap paper and collect profits/bonuses/commissions. You really think they did not know that they should not be lending this much? Do you really think they would lend like that if the option of selling these worthless derivatives 10 times over the initial mortgage was not available? This is nothing new, the same game, just a new edition. Ties in into the monetary system that rules the world and is ruled by .....

3) Mortgage brokers would do ANYTHING and say ANYTHING to get a consumer to take a mortgage. If you don't think they were lying & convincing people to finance & re-finance against their best judgement, you are wrong. Standard sociopath salesman personality, these people are what they are.

4) The people who took upon them mortgages that they could not and would not pay off should face responsibility and ARE facing responsibility. The bailout does almost nothing for them, and in fact, penalizes them along with the rest via accellerated inflation, on top of other geopolitical issues from this bill.

5) Blaming the consumer is idiotic. They had nothing to do with the banks writing out worthless paper and selling it to pension funds (foreign & domestic). They are getting theirs via foreclosures & dropping RE prices. Meanwhile the banks are crying for taxpayer money.

actually they were selling these products willy nilly cause the risk premium was thought to have been sold off via cdo's and no damage would be made since it would be spread throughout many different parties, of course the default risk premium was pretty much nil if prices are going up 20-30% a yr,
 
Quote from flytiger:

I'm sick and tired of Guy A'Dami, and his other lackies saying that Joe Consumer knew what he was doing, and should be punished.

1. Although some consumers did try to jive the system, they had to have the help of mortgage brokers. They just pinched one down here, and her 'customer' for scamming millions.

2. As a former licensed professional, when all else fails, it is the responsibliity of the license holder to do the right thing. He/she is trained and schooled for a reason. Why else would states make you take continuing ed?

3. Firms like Countrywide, and the brokers that bought and packaged, are also culprits, being licensed 'professionals', albeit Ashley DuPree type professionals, who we all knew were doing what they were doing.

As Crames said, in a video.......'we did this stuff when I was at Goldman. Someone would ask, 'what happens if this blows up?' And someone else would say.....'who cares!!!????? Look what they are paying us to sell it!"

What's next? When I was at a big firm, I had a lawyer call me to buy me lunch. What he wanted was "sales material>" That's what they are looking for now.

You are going to see SEC/DOJ action upon action, followed by Class Action lawyers. That simple.

No one is forced to take on a mortgage. If you sign an agreement to repay, and fail, then you are responsible for your actions and their consequences unless you were somehow coerced, defrauded, or tricked into signing an illegitimate contract.

Some people probably were bamboozled into bad contracts, and they should be released and the sellers jailed for fraud. But most people knew what they were signing and were just too damn greedy to cover the downside - result being they stiffed their lenders, caused bankruptcies, recession, soaring unemployment and the destruction of stock and bond savings.
 
Quote from Cutten:

No one is forced to take on a mortgage. If you sign an agreement to repay, and fail, then you are responsible for your actions and their consequences unless you were somehow coerced, defrauded, or tricked into signing an illegitimate contract.

Some people probably were bamboozled into bad contracts, and they should be released and the sellers jailed for fraud. But most people knew what they were signing and were just too damn greedy to cover the downside - result being they stiffed their lenders, caused bankruptcies, recession, soaring unemployment and the destruction of stock and bond savings.

1 person stiffing a lender didnt cause bankruptcies, recession, soaring unemployment. That person is only accountable for what that mortgage did for them....they didnt do anything illegal, it was perfectly legal to get 150% of the house value, to buy an overexpensive house and have money for a 1 year to live like a king.....It is ultimately the lenders fault who looked the other way because the commssions where hefty and now has to go bankrupt, fire people and cause their stock to tumble.....
 
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