Who would've thought a country of atheists has more morals (and balls) than us?

Quote from Hoofhearted:

I'd be happy to reply to your opinions of my post.

I just ask that you actually read it first before letting your loose lips flap in my ear.

I'm not sure I'd even disagree with anything you have to say.

Jem,

I have an even better alternative. Why don't you actually take a look at the passages that pielthetwister has referred us to. Then consider his interpretations of the passages, and mine side by side.

And then let us know, who's views you may or may not agree with and on which points.

I ask this because I believe you've got quite a bit going on upstairs, and some people here will maybe even consider your thoughts on the matter, instead of reading the words with a mind geared for rebuttal.
 
Quote from fhl:




...you specifically asked before about what Christ (are you afraid to say Jesus?)

I don't have a problem saying Jesus, but if you've got a problem with me saying Christ we can switch it up. Hell, we can call him Jimmy if it makes you happy, just let me know.

I was trying to keep it simple for the slight to severe retards who frequent the forum. I thought if I used Jesus in one sentence then Christ in another, some may get confused and think I was talking about different people.

I wouldn't want to leave any retards out of the conversation.

Welcome :)



Quote from fhl:

... then go on later to equate conservatives with pharisees and then, for the topper, claim that some (implying conservatives) only see what they want and not what Christ ( uh, it's JESUS) really said...

That slip about conservatives was actually just troll bait.

Looks like it may have caught one :).


Quote from fhl:
I'm left to conclude, as any sane person would, that you have a notion that homosexuality and homo marriage must be ok now. lol


Actually no, I don't condone homosexual marriage for reasons I'd be happy to discuss further.


I was simply pointing out to peil that JESUS didn't address the issue in the way that peil thought he did. JESUS was addressing the question of what reasons allowed for divorce.
 
Quote from Hoofhearted:

peil,
With all due respect for your enthusiasm to educate, I will also point out that in the passages you have referred us to, Christ is addressing the issue of divorce between a man and a woman, rather than marriage.

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

You see here? ^^^They are asking him about apples, and not oranges, as you have suggested. They ask a very specific question about a man divorcing his wife, and not about whether or not gay marriage is ok.

Just read it again and you will see what I'm talking about^^^.


4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that AT THE BEGINNING the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Here, Christ is simply giving a reference to scripture the Pharisees are already familiar with. He gives them familiar scripture because he truly wants them to understand his teaching on this particular subject, but like most conservatives they do not want to open their minds and hearts.

He also provides the passage because it is an adequate explanation of God's wishes for his people [IN THE BEGINNING].

Notice the CAPITOL letters I used to end that sentence?
Good, because those three words have a huge impact on the message that Christ spells out to these poor ignorant bastards, who just can't seem to get what he's telling them.

7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

THINK, YOU DUMB BASTARDS!!

HINT: God says IN THE BEGINNING that when a man and woman unite, they shall not be separated. IOW :DON'T GET DIVORCED.

HINT 2: Moses (right after consulting with God comes down from the mountain and says "We're not condoning whatever actions were taken to cause divorce, but here is a permission slip for it if you were genuinely done wrong by your partner.

HINT 3: Did you happen notice a contradiction there? IN THE BEGINNING God says no divorce, but later tells Moses it's ok. Why is this??

Hint 3: God is a loving and forgiving shepherd and provides provisions for his people as he understands fully their weaknesses.

IOW, God loves you no matter how stupid you are.



8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way FROM THE BEGINNING.

Again Christ is reiterating, that we all start out with hopes and aspirations, but that sometimes we just have to accept the evil that lies within and learn to deal with it.

9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

DON'T GET FROGGY WITH THAT DIVORCE BUTTON- MAKE SURE IT'S FOR THE RIGHT REASONS, AND ONLY THE RIGHT REASONS OR YOU'LL DUMBASS WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT!


So you can hopefully see now, Peil, that Christ did not address the subject of gay marriage in the way that you had hoped, which was to benefit your desires.

I would also like to suggest you keep Paul's message about hearing what you want to hear:

2 Timothy 4: 3-4

3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.






You have got it all wrong my ignorant friend. Christ never said anything of the like. Take another look at what he actually says.



“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.




Maybe you just need to take a closer look at what it means to fulfill. To fulfill doesn't remotely come close to meaning that something that was in the past is still valid, as your desires would like. It's quite the contrary.

To fulfill means to carry out, or accomplish what was predicted or promised.

It was predicted that Christ would come along and lay down the law, or set the record straight and that is exactly what is he is trying to do.

You can choose whether or not you will obey such law, but it won't help you or others to distort the meaning of the message to suit your personal goals and needs.

Christ did not come to address the old laws, but rather to lay the law down.



If the message actually meant what you have hoped, then we can presume that you are all for polygamy and slavery?



18“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[/QUOTE]

Have you considered, that Christ is simply telling a bunch of lost souls that they had better listen up?

If they choose to obey the law in which HE has laid down, then things will be pretty darn good for them. But IF they choose to disobey the laws, then things will be not so good for them.

How do we know that Christ is referring to HIS laws rather than the old laws?

Simple. Just re-read the lesson above in which Christ is trying to teach the Conservatives-oops- I mean Pharisees the lesson in which a man can divorce his wife.

I will explain to you once again that Christ points out what WAS said IN THE BEGINNING is somewhat different to what Moses says to his people LATER, regarding the subject of divorce.

Could it possibly be, that what he is alluding to is, that the old laws used to be adequate- that is before people starting twisting them around to suit their wants and desires?

I think you'll find that as you submerge an open mind and heart into Christ's teachings, you will see a pattern where he continually is essentially instructing his students and adversaries to not be so caught up in the old laws, but rather to pay more attention to what HE is saying.

The old laws have been twisted from their true meaning in an older language, but remain much the same.

Christ is here to set the record straight once and for all, which he sadly has been unable to accomplish, as the vast majority of listeners continue to hear what they want instead of that which is true.
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Brilliant, seriously.
 
Quote from LEAPup:

Russia gave snowden a year's asylum. Obama reacts by possibly not attending a meeting with Putin. Looks like Putin, along with the rest of the world, gets a kick out of slinging Obama all over the place. Is America becoming the world's vagina? Sure looks like it.

Could you be any stupider?
 
Bottom line, Jesus was just a man. He knew what was known during the bronze age. We now know homosexuality is not choice for the vast majority of gays and is actually due to how a person is person is born. It is an inherent physiological characteristic akin to being left handed of having a propensity toward high blood pressure.

Given Jesus's railings against the Pharisees for being too dogmatic and doctrinal, it seems logical that were he aware of the current scientific understanding of homosexuality he would not condemn or deny any rights to homosexuals. He was, above all, a man of empathy, acceptance and love. He would be loathe to condemn a loving relationship.




(Luke 11:46) Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them."
Jesus compounds His anger towards these evildoers when He says “And you…” You can almost hear Jesus saying “You guys… You guys think you are different? Now I’ll get to you…” He calls out their pious rules as burdens and says their continued lack of compassion and love for people is not only wrong but astonishing as they won’t even “lift one finger to help them”.
 
watching people torture scripture to try to make it mean what they want is fascinating. They do the same with everything, "science" is pure torture of the facts quite often...

Either people stand for Jesus or they fall for everything else. Trying to explain why some people will twist scripture and others will just read/understand is silly; Jesus said that people that like his voice when they hear it will come to him, people that don't like his voice won't.
 
Quote from maxpi:

watching people torture scripture to try to make it mean what they want is fascinating. They do the same with everything, "science" is pure torture of the facts quite often...

Either people stand for Jesus or they fall for everything else. Trying to explain why some people will twist scripture and others will just read/understand is silly; Jesus said that people that like his voice when they hear it will come to him, people that don't like his voice won't.

People driven by evil hearts will always behave like the lost. That's nothing new. However, WE'VE ALLOWED liberals to dictate America since the sixties. It's time we stop and say enough. If we don't, turn the lights out on America, and await His wrath...
 
Quote from futurecurrents:

We now know homosexuality is not choice for the vast majority of gays and is actually due to how a person is person is born.

How come then in 1940-1970 only 9% of gays said they were born that way? How come until 1983 when the gay movement was politicized did the number never go up?

How come 82% of those currently lesbian and 66% of those currently gay said that they had been in love with someone of the opposite sex?

How come 74% of gays admitted to having been sexually aroused by a female and 80% of lesbians said that they had been sexually aroused by a male?

Read the research. They were not born that way and 90% of gays know that too. They just want you to condone their lifestyle.

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Cameron4.html
 
I thought you were writing that just like the Pharisees got it all wrong, conservatives have it all wrong. I thought you were implying God is far more accepting.

I do not think Jesus was teaching that God is more accepting. I think the point Jesus was showing us God is far more forgiving so repent and follow him.

-- hoof

Perhaps I mis understood your point.
I would be happy to read what you have to say.


Quote from Hoofhearted:

Jem,

I have an even better alternative. Why don't you actually take a look at the passages that pielthetwister has referred us to. Then consider his interpretations of the passages, and mine side by side.

And then let us know, who's views you may or may not agree with and on which points.

I ask this because I believe you've got quite a bit going on upstairs, and some people here will maybe even consider your thoughts on the matter, instead of reading the words with a mind geared for rebuttal.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Piss is just upset because I've picked on him and his son lucrum...
A legend in your own mind eh?

About the only things you've "picked on" lately are your nose and your ass.
 
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