Who would've thought a country of atheists has more morals (and balls) than us?

[Lucrum]

Quote from Hoofhearted:

Your ability to build traps purely for your own entanglement is of the highest skill.

"Only in your own mind fart sniffer. "Semi auto rifle" at the bottom refers to the assault rifle statistic at the top of the poster. You went on a rant about semi-auto's. Ignoring the fact the poster was comparing assault rifle deaths to begin with. Is it my fault you know nothing of firearms?

You're going to need more than your usual word games and semantics to wipe this egg off your face."

 

[Hoofhearted]

Quote from jem:

This is the old leftist marginalize the opposition before you go in and your favored interest group.

What does this even mean?

Marginalize the opposition? Who exactly do you think the opposition is?

How is it I'm treating "the opposition" insignificantly?

And Who do you think my favored interest group is; How is it that my post is favoring them?



I doubt you will provide, but do you even have some sort of reasonable explanation for your gibberish^^^?


Responding in your own words (so long as they're comprehensive) would be refreshing too. Point by point would be preferable if you felt up to the challenge.

Don't bother if your just going to cut and paste a bunch of current headlines and mantras from your fantasy sites.


You know Jem, people would probably be interested to hear what you had to say, if you ever get around to saying it...

 

[Hoofhearted]

Quote from Lucrum:

"Only in your own mind fart sniffer. "Semi auto rifle" at the bottom refers to the assault rifle statistic at the top of the poster. You went on a rant about semi-auto's. Ignoring the fact the poster was comparing assault rifle deaths to begin with. Is it my fault you know nothing of firearms?

You're going to need more than your usual word games and semantics to wipe this egg off your face."

You're cracking me up on this one, Lucster.

I have to think you're just being clowny.


If not, just ask any of your buddies to have a look at the poster and ask them whether it's referring to assault rifles or SEMI-AUTOMATIC rifles, as the poster clearly states.

They'll either tell you that the poster is referring to semi-automatic rifles, or we can safely conclude they are lacking comprehensively as well.


You might try to check the FBI facts too, before you continue to distribute your propaganda.

FBI says that in 2011, 323 deaths were caused by rifles of ANY type- and not just assault rifles.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ok-post-says-more-people-were-murdered-knive/



You know, If you were actually able to understand what the poster is conveying, it would actually make your argument for a non-ban on assault rifles even stronger-

Why? Because I'm sure the number of deaths in 2011 attributed to assault rifles is far less than 323. Just ask the FBI and they'll tell you the same thing.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Hoofhearted:

FBI says that in 2011, 323 deaths were caused by rifles of ANY type- and not just assault rifles.

So this statement of yours was wrong then?

Quote from Hoofhearted:
That little 2011 poster you like to tout showing the number of deaths attributed to semi autos being less than hammers and kitchen knives doesn't hold up to those capable of entertaining some thought.

 

[trendlover]

Quote from Hoofhearted:

I believe it may have been Scientific Knowledge (that old forbidden fruit) that John had been meditating on the isle of Patmos.


Could this be the first Beast from the sea?

Scientific knowledge has been referred to as an "sea" of knowledge, Has it not? [/B]

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You are talking on the internet of "sea of knowledge" Are you bad?

 

[Hoofhearted]

Quote from Lucrum:

So this statement of yours was wrong then?

No.

The poster's intent is to convince others that banning assault rifles won't make much of a difference in the murder rate as people will just use hammers and knives instead if they can't get the rifles, correct?

Isn't that what you want others to realize when you post it?



But it doesn't tell others to take into consideration the expense of buying a rifle, which is on average at least dozens of times higher than the kitchen knives and hammers.


IOW, the propagandist who made it, only put in the information he feels is pertinent to convince others of his cause.


He leaves out the information that would hurt his cause, such as price comparisons.

This is propaganda 101.

If rifles were as cheap and easy to buy as kitchen knives and hammers, then the number of deaths from rifles would surely be much higher.

Think about it- if you could get rifles at every family dollar store for under ten bucks (like you can hammers and knives), then every household in America would likely have at least a few.

People would be shooting each other left and right with them if they were cheaper.

Thus the death count attributed to rifles would escalate.

Look at it another way-
Lets imagine the rifles each cost ten thousand dollars or more to purchase- then the death count from rifles would drastically drop- probably be less than a few dozen per year.


So by leaving out the prices of the weapons, most morons who see the poster will never even take into consideration that price DOES play a major factor.

This is how the propagandist convinces so many to see things his way, instead of the logical way.

 

[Hoofhearted]

Jem I appreciate your thought out response, and I will reply to your comments accordingly.


But know this first: You have mistaken me for trying to argue in favor of those who are opposing the Russian "Anti-gay propaganda" laws.


If you re-read my post to Fhl, with just a bit more scrutiny, you will see that I was only pointing out to him, that he has prematurely formed his views regarding who is right and wrong in this particular matter.

I have expressed no such views, as to Who is right and Who is wrong.


I merely point to him that he has already admitted that he doesn't even know the slightest details of what the laws actually affect.



He is clueless, yet waves his big banner saying the Russians have more morals than us for passing these laws (of which he knows nothing in the way of details).



I am making the case that the laws they passed may or may not be good or bad for their society, but we just can't say either way until we take a closer look.


It's also been noted how quickly the Right accuses anyone who disagrees with their rigid views as having a hidden Left agenda.


They are paranoid and for good reason.


But this is only because the Right are scared to lose the power they once held over the people.

One day they'll wake up and realize there is no longer any reason to be scared, because they have long since lost their power and their say.


They may never even realize that had they only entertained the slightest notion of reconsidering their rigid beliefs, they'd still be part of the program.


Mark my words- Not one of us has it all right, though many of you think you do.

Bunch a dumb asses!

Quote from jem:

Here we have someone (Hoof?) pounding the table for what is really an absolutely ridiculous argument (which could only be supported by those with a radical agenda).

What exactly have I pounded the table about, Jem?
Was it really that dramatic for you?

You don't give the answers because you have not practiced your ability to scrutinize for the truth.

Quote from jem:

If you think your son is gay and you argue therefore you should have a right to give you son gay porn so as to not restrict your right to give him a booklet...

That's incorrect. Those aren't my words.

Is this what you believe?


I merely pointed out to Fhool that the type of literature the Russians may have banned, may very well be educational and moralistic guidelines such as his sacred book of Romans.


I only stated that we do not know what they are banning, yet he is saying they are morally righteous for their decisions.


He doesn't know exactly what those decisions are as he does not study Russian law.


I doubt you know any details of their laws either or surely you would have provided something other than your severely mistaken interpretation of my views.

Quote from jem:

By the way the issue that is not discussed is the fact that that this is all cultural choices and when the majority can decide things for the minority.

You got that right.

Quote from jem:

I am sure the same story could be written about supporting the rights of those who disgusted by gay sex or polygamy or pedophiles or future terrorists any other group which is not the majority one at the moment.

I'm sure it could- maybe you should try writing one, I bet it could be a best seller on magazine racks at the gun shops.


Leapy'd probably buy the first copy!

Quote from jem:

The majority does not have tolerate porn for kids if it chooses not to.

Amen. I'll support that.

Quote from jem:

There is no fundamental right to sexualize a kid in our culture... nor should there be.

Very true- but we should remember too that healthy sex education is important, otherwise...well- that would just be reckless parenting to not give your kids some heads up, Would it not?


So what exactly have these mother lovin commie bastards outlawed, anyhow?

Is anyone ever going to try to post some genuine examples of their new laws, or is everyone just content to remain ignorant and continue to beat their own drums?

 

[luisHK]

Quote from pspr:

I just did dumbass. If you want to know more, get yourself a Bible and start reading.

BTW, Jesus validated that the Old Testament was the word of God, so start there.

Then you can start reading the teachings of the world's other great religions such as the Koran.

Are you some nutcase who wants a religious state rather than a secular one ? It reminds me of a line I read recently on a different forum, prolly from a british poster, claiming that there's no right wing in the US as all right wing movements there get highjacked by (fundamentalist) christians. I think he meant libertarian by rightwing, and even if he didn't add the last bit, you can't talk about freedom of choice if you want others to be stuck ( enslaved) by some dude claiming to be a prophet's teaching.

I don't wish for my kids to grow up as homosexuals, especially as childless ones, but it's definetely not my main worry. Far less ugly than ending up civil servants :eek:

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Hoofhearted:

No.

You know, If you were actually able to understand what the poster is conveying, it would actually make your argument for a non-ban on assault rifles even stronger-

Why? Because I'm sure the number of deaths in 2011 attributed to assault rifles is far less than 323. Just ask the FBI and they'll tell you the same thing.

The poster's intent is to convince others that banning assault rifles won't make much of a difference in the murder rate as people will just use hammers and knives instead if they can't get the rifles, correct?

Isn't that what you want others to realize when you post it?

I believe the intent is to show assault/semi auto rifle caused deaths are a non problem, created out of thin air by the anti gun loons.

But it doesn't tell others to take into consideration the expense of buying a rifle, which is on average at least dozens of times higher than the kitchen knives and hammers.
IOW, the propagandist who made it, only put in the information he feels is pertinent to convince others of his cause.
He leaves out the information that would hurt his cause, such as price comparisons.

This is propaganda 101.

If rifles were as cheap and easy to buy as kitchen knives and hammers, then the number of deaths from rifles would surely be much higher.

Think about it- if you could get rifles at every family dollar store for under ten bucks (like you can hammers and knives), then every household in America would likely have at least a few.

People would be shooting each other left and right with them if they were cheaper.

Thus the death count attributed to rifles would escalate.

Look at it another way-
Lets imagine the rifles each cost ten thousand dollars or more to purchase- then the death count from rifles would drastically drop- probably be less than a few dozen per year.

So by leaving out the prices of the weapons, most morons who see the poster will never even take into consideration that price DOES play a major factor.

This is how the propagandist convinces so many to see things his way, instead of the logical way.

What a steaming pile of shit.
Are you also a rabid idiot in person or do you just play one on ET?

 

[murray t turtle]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/30/russia-anti-gay-olympic-games-sochi_n_3676311.html

Russia is known to be a nation with a majority of Atheists. Keep it up, and you may see a large influx of Christians heading your way.

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