Who will be the Dem candidate?

[ssternlight]

Quote from Arnie:


Somebody asked why the visceral hate for the Clintons? Well, for me it's stunts like this. Why do they have to lie? IMO, there is othing lower than a goddamn liar.

Then you probably don't care for the Bush administration either?

Putting that aside, the lack of candor in general has always been one of the more objectionable parts of politics for me. However, I really do believe we have reached new lows with the current administration. I have no idea what the right replacement is. I'm not wedded to political parties but I think we, as Americans, have a huge problem with our system and if we don't get it fixed very soon we will be totally hosed -- I mean that in a third world sense.

Just my $.02

 

[Guildenstern]

Mark Warner is a lying bastard, just like Clinton. When he was running for Gov in Virginia, he promised he would not raise taxes. Once in office, guess what? He raised taxes (the largest increase EVER). He said it was because when he made his promise he had no idea how bad things were, but he had the real numbers on the budget/deficit DAYS BEFORE he made his promise. To top it all off, within months of raising taxes it turned out the state was running a SURPLUS!! The whole thing was a scam!

Somebody asked why the visceral hate for the Clintons? Well, for me it's stunts like this. Why do they have to lie? IMO, there is othing lower than a goddamn liar.

Don't forget that Warner signed off on the biggest SPENDING increase in the history of the state. Even worse, his campaign jingle was the tackiest in the history of elections. Would someone from SC or MS think that some tech dude from NOVA by way of Indiana and Harvard Law is southern??? NOVA is about as southern as Wilmington, DE.

 

[wilburbear]

Quote from wilburbear:

Yes.

Barack Obama is undoubtedly the most gifted statesman within the United States.

And he's black. He personally understands my day-to-day troubles.

 

[Jayford]

Quote from Trader5287:


At this point I say no Republican - not Guiliani, Romney, or anyone else has a chance of winning. Bush is too hated and he's soiled the party.

I agree with this mostly, except for the fact that I think anyone nominated on the Republican side beats Hillary. Early polls already show this to be true, but two years in advance means little. Its just my opinion.

I believe Hillary wins the nomination unless she accepts the party's wish for her to step down. She is too popular among Democrats, and too far ahead in raising cash. I don't think she is silly enough to have a Dean style melt down either.

 

[ssternlight]

Quote from Jayford:

I agree with this mostly, except for the fact that I think anyone nominated on the Republican side beats Hillary. Early polls already show this to be true, but two years in advance means little. Its just my opinion.

I believe Hillary wins the nomination unless she accepts the party's wish for her to step down. She is too popular among Democrats, and too far ahead in raising cash. I don't think she is silly enough to have a Dean style melt down either.

Can you post a link to those polls? Just curious to see who did them and when. My biggest wish was that H. Clinton hadn't been so backwards on the war. Badmouthing aside, she "might" make a decent President. I still don't understand why people loathe her so much...

 

[BloodTrader]

The Republicans desperately want Hillary. I suspect they will do all they can to help her get nominated.

bt

Quote from ssternlight:

Can you post a link to those polls? Just curious to see who did them and when. My biggest wish was that H. Clinton hadn't been so backwards on the war. Badmouthing aside, she "might" make a decent President. I still don't understand why people loathe her so much...

 

[BloodTrader]

The Mormons have made no secret about the desire to take over the government (they don't quite phrase it that way). Look for plenty of cronyism and nepotism if this happens.

bt

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Seems right to me. A lot can change in a couple of years though. You could ask Bush's dad.

McCain is not a lock for the Republican nomination. He is out of step with the activist base of the party on a number of issues like taxes and immigration.

Personally, I like Mitt Romney. Brilliant man, totally decent and a great leader.

 

[BloodTrader]

Quote from Arnie:

Somebody asked why the visceral hate for the Clintons? Well, for me it's stunts like this. Why do they have to lie? IMO, there is othing lower than a goddamn liar.

Oh, how you must despise Bush and all his administration!

bt

 

[Cheese]

Look, I support the Republicans .. no surprise there.
I don't hate Hilary Clinton at all. She is one gutsy calculating bitch and she would be one mother of an opponent for any Republican candidate for President.

Big mistake to underestimate rival contenders.
Never never under-estimate your opponent or enemies.
Remember they will be either at your throat or at your feet.
Choose which .. because you can choose.
Prepare, prepare, prepare.
Then just deduce and anticipate.

 

[Jayford]

Quote from ssternlight:

Can you post a link to those polls? Just curious to see who did them and when. My biggest wish was that H. Clinton hadn't been so backwards on the war. Badmouthing aside, she "might" make a decent President. I still don't understand why people loathe her so much...

They were discussed on CNBC about a month ago. They polled people with Hillary vs a number of different contenders, and she lost every one of them. She easily out polled among Dems only though for the nomination. I don't know who conducted the poll, so take it with a grain of salt. I agree with it though. She is one of those people you either like or hate. I don't think she has a chance in national election.