Who do you want to win the war?

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I'm sorry, wasn't it you who said a 225 year-old war was not topical enough for comparison? Am I now supposed to ignore thousands of years (in the case of the golden rule) and hundreds of years (Kant, Mills) of philisophical and ethical thought?

I don't believe I'm the one who said this, but I did say that times and circumstances change, especially with modernity (technology, new ideas, ability to implement and monitor new treaties and rules of conduct that benefit everyone, etc).
 
Quote from I Missed Boat:



First of all, to some extent all people make-up a global society (especially since throughout time, cultures in all locations (regardless of how ever much isolated) have shared some values. And over time, relations between these smaller societies and cultures and created a broader society of shared values and rules. Moreover, while the Taliban and N. Korea never agreed to the Geneva Convention, I believe Iraq has (although I would have to double check). Either way, the world is pretty small, and I would actually assert that every society and culture agree on some level that soldiers hiding behind women and children and killing fleeing refugees is cowardly and unjust (even if some individuals do not feel this way, and even if some major armies in ancient times did not hesitate to massacre everyone in a conquered area-although they were usually viewed as unjust and barbaric by the rest of the world). Anyhow, we will continue this tomorrow. Night night! :)

This is agreeable and I am sorry if I have been difficult. It is merely my notion that history is written by the conquerors and not the conquered that gives me trouble. Right and wrong I believe exist. Both are however, very difficult to pin down. It is often very difficult for me to decide what is right and wrong for my own course of action. As a result I am hesitant to tell another person that they are wrong in any objective way. It is exponentially more difficult for me to conceive the degree of certitude one must have to act on these beliefs in a manner which seems inately contradictory. In the case of the Iraqi war, we are killing an evil man who is evil because he kills. I realize that there is more to the issue than this, and that the US is killing in a more amiable fashion than does Saddam. But, there are many evil people and leaders in the world. China has, to many, some very disagreeable policies. And yet, no war of Chinese liberation is being fought. Anyway, I too must be getting to bed and so I bid you a fair ado!:)
 
Quote from I Missed Boat:

Nonetheless, math as we know it is the most objective tool for understanding the universe and what exists that we have.

I agree with this clarification of math as a tool for understanding.:)
 
Quote from rlb21079:



I agree with this clarification of math as a tool for understanding.:)
And don't forget... it is of primary importance that we have air to breathe.:)
 
Quote from max401:

And don't forget... it is of primary importance that we have air to breathe.:)

I know you understand this, but so as to allay any future confusion I wanted to call attention to the difference between math AS understanding and math as a TOOL for the attainment of understanding.
 
Quote from rlb21079:


+Air to breath comment.

Despite our quarrels I cannot find fault with your wit!:)
Oh, yes! I agree 1,000,000%. All is well with the world as we see it together sharing the exact same air. Oh, and don't let me forget--- Higher math!
 
Quote from rlb21079:



I know you understand this, but so as to allay any future confusion I wanted to call attention to the difference between math AS understanding and math as a TOOL for the attainment of understanding.
Once again... I cannot reiterate strongly enough--- I AGREE A BILLION PERCENT!!!!! We must ALLAY any FUTURE CONFUSION and always remember the IMPORTANT MATH TOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, I almost forgot-----for the attainment of understanding. (OF COURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) THAT'S A GIVEN:) :) :) :) :) :)
 
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