Where is futurecurrents?

I do hope some developing countries (considering their associated huge populations) when developing their manufacturing industries would consider how much acid could be generated during their manufacturing processes using chemicals in producing electronics goods, clothes/ bags/ shoes, (certain kinds of) foods, building materials, car parts, etc.

God bless our earth!

On the other hand, the acid increase of the oceans is __ABSOLUTELY__ DEFCON 1 to our way of life. The chemistry is irrefutable, and the length of time we can study it accurately is 300 million years+. I urge you all to see tonight:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/lethal-seas.html

In fact, someone should open a thread on it and discuss ONLY the acidification of the seas.
 
I do hope some developing countries (considering their associated huge populations) when developing their manufacturing industries would consider how much acid could be generated during their manufacturing processes using chemicals in producing electronics goods, clothes/ bags/ shoes, (certain kinds of) foods, building materials, car parts, etc.

God bless our earth!
Watch the show. The experiment can be run in your own house. How carbon (burning of fossil fuels that rain on oceans) can turn water into an acid is high school chemistry. That is not debatable. What this show will make interesting is how:

  • We can tell that WE are responsible by accurately measuring peroxide levels over 300 million years.
  • The actual devastation of the chain of events that this acidification of the oceans initiates. The dominoes toppling and we are the last dominoe.
 
Watch the show. The experiment can be run in your own house. How carbon (burning of fossil fuels that rain on oceans) can turn water into an acid is high school chemistry. That is not debatable. What this show will make interesting is how:

  • We can tell that WE are responsible by accurately measuring peroxide levels over 300 million years.
  • The actual devastation of the chain of events that this acidification of the oceans initiates. The dominoes toppling and we are the last dominoe.

Sad! Fairly Sad Indeed!
 
Perhaps environmental system and its science altogether is not only at its early/primitive stage in recent years, but also one of the most complex among so many Complex Systems.

I would think it's also a Mega-Complex system! Relatively speaking! Even the most powerful computer available nowadays would not be capable enough to handle adequately its modelling and computing/simulation!

Q http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_systems
Overview
A Braitenberg simulation, programmed in breve, an artificial life simulator

The study of mathematical complex system models is used for many scientific questions poorly suited to the traditional mechanistic conception provided by science.[4] Complex systems is therefore often used as a broad term encompassing a research approach to problems in many diverse disciplines including anthropology, artificial intelligence, artificial life, chemistry, computer science, economics, evolutionary computation, earthquake prediction, meteorology, molecular biology, neuroscience, physics, psychology and sociology.
UQ

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index...ralian-pms-adviser.291399/page-7#post-4122458

“If you want to understand how the glaciers are changing, you can’t just look at the ice, you can’t just look at the climate system, you can’t just look at the geology, you have to look at the whole picture,” he said.
UQ
 
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I agree the oceans need to be protected. This is a serious issue... the oceans are being fished out and polluted. I filed lawsuits on behalf of environmental groups... protecting oceans and bays when I was a younger. Again, I am not convinced that the higher co2 levels are due to man.

the higher co2 levels seem to trail ocean warming.

this again is in a peer reviewed journal... I posted the graph that went with the article a few pages back.

See: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2012.08.008


Using data series on atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures we investigate the phase relation (leads/lags) between these for the period January 1980 to December 2011. Ice cores show atmospheric CO2 variations to lag behind atmospheric temperature changes on a century to millennium scale, but modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO2, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO2. In our analysis we use eight well-known datasets; 1) globally averaged well-mixed marine boundary layer CO2 data, 2) HadCRUT3 surface air temperature data, 3) GISS surface air temperature data, 4) NCDC surface air temperature data, 5) HadSST2 sea surface data, 6) UAH lower troposphere temperature data series, 7) CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2, and 8) GWP data on volcanic eruptions. Annual cycles are present in all datasets except 7) and 8), and to remove the influence of these we analyze 12-month averaged data. We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8), but with changes in CO2 always lagging changes in temperature. The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11–12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes.



2. any... peer reviewed literature showing that the temperature increase is man made would appreciated...
Again... I don't always discuss climate change but when I do, I prefer science.


3. regarding the debunking of futurecurrents buddy at the al gore sponsored site...
we have covered this many times....

this is peer reviewed. it means that
a. in science arguing a consensus matters is garbage.
b. that if you examine the papers cook consider only .3% actually support the definition

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9

Abstract
Agnotology is the study of how ignorance arises via circulation of misinformation calculated to mislead. Legates et al. (Sci Educ 22:2007–2017, 2013) had questioned the applicability of agnotology to politically-charged debates. In their reply, Bedford and Cook (Sci Educ 22:2019–2030,2013), seeking to apply agnotology to climate science, asserted that fossil-fuel interests had promoted doubt about a climate consensus. Their definition of climate ‘misinformation’ was contingent upon the post-modernist assumptions that scientific truth is discernible by measuring a consensus among experts, and that a near unanimous consensus exists. However, inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1 % consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3 % endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic. Agnotology, then, is a two-edged sword since either side in a debate may claim that general ignorance arises from misinformation allegedly circulated by the other. Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain. Therefore, Legates et al. appropriately asserted that partisan presentations of controversies stifle debate and have no place in education.




and this is 97 articles showing the 97% is b.s.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/19/97-articles-refuting-the-97-consensus-on-global-warming/
 
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Maybe my logic is weak, perhaps very weak.

But I do think the researchers who are working on finding solutions for climate sustainability should speed up their research until their direction will be proved being wrong. (Then change direction.)

I also hope all others who have different views should double or triple their efforts in researching alternative ways for climate sustainability, in addition to their objection to what others have been doing, investigating and resolving the same issue.

Doing nothing by discouraging others' ongoing projects for climate sustainability would produce nothing beneficial to human lives, I would think.

Basically All scientific researches should be replicable and testable. Objections on others' research results should be also replicable and testable, in order to allow others improving/changing research direction.

Personally I still have my faith to the scientists and researchers community for a positive contribution to our future lives.
 
I agree the oceans need to be protected. This is a serious issue... the oceans are being fished out and polluted. I filed lawsuits on behalf of environmental groups... protecting oceans and bays when I was a younger. Again, I am not convinced that the higher co2 levels are due to man.


Jem how stupid do you have to be to not be convinced that the rising CO2 levels are from man. How stupid jerm? And you expect us to take you seriously? You are the laughing stock of ET. And that's saying something.

CO2-Emissions-vs-Levels.gif
 
BTW jerm, you never came up with even ONE climatologist that denies man made global warming did you?

Come on jerm, there must be ONE reputable climatologist.

A 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States (PNAS) reviewed publication and citation data for 1,372 climate researchers and drew the following two conclusions:

(i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.[118]
A 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States (PNAS) reviewed publication and citation data for 1,372 climate researchers and drew the following two conclusions:
 
At this point you can only assume that Futurecurrents is trolling for his own amusement and is not interested in a rational discourse.

lol..shit, a little late to the game? Fraudcurrents reached that point thousands of posts ago...I have absolutely no idea why some of you continue to "entertain" this nitwit with "rational discourse"...Poor Jem gets worked up by this imbecile every few hours...

Tell him to fuck himself (or his brother) and be done with the guy...let his threads die.
 
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