When Debtors Decide to Default

F^&k credit, learn to trade and pull down some long coin, by 8am Pacific time, go have the best breakfast money can buy and spend the rest of the day with friends... put a comment on your credit report saying "If I want some f$%king credit I'll buy some".......

Google voice is my telephone company of choice... I can add a forwarding phone at will, I can screen messages via my email account... that's my "business tel number" and the other one is private and should never leak out...

Multiple calls from collectors are illegal in California, but they will do it to you.. savvy people are recording everything in detail and then suing these assclowns, the biggest settlement I heard of was $60,000...

There are some steps we can take towards freedom, read Square Foot Gardening and start growing high quality food, absolutely drop out of the credit rat race, learn to trade, learn to look out for your own household as a consumer and stop thinking that Socialism is freedom, it's enslavement..
 
Quote from Sandybestdog:

OK first off, think about what you just said. The fractional reserve lending “scheme” works until one of the links is broken. That’s like saying the drug ring was working perfectly fine until the cop screwed it up. Well maybe that’s because they shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.

The fractional reserve system is a ponzi scheme that has to fail eventually. You just want to use the convient excuse of blaming deadbeats for ruining a system that was designed to keep the rich rich and the poor poor.

I love all these Republican theory’s that are never backed up by real scenarios or facts.

Yea poor people getting mortgages certainly caused all this mess. Whatever Rush says you’ll believe. Oh what? 80% of sub prime loans were given by financial institutions that had little or no regulation by the Community Reinvestment Act? Well that can’t be. That could mean only one thing - the free market failed. Banks gave out loans they shouldn’t have, not because the government forced them to, but because they got greedy. Plain and simple. It was a typical free market bubble with gas poured on the fire by the Fed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act#Relation_to_2008_financial_crisis
Some legal and financial experts note that CRA regulated loans tend to be safe and profitable, and that subprime excesses came mainly from institutions not regulated by the CRA. In the February 2008 House hearing, law professor Michael S. Barr, a Treasury Department official under President Clinton,[64][108] stated that a Federal Reserve survey showed that affected institutions considered CRA loans profitable and not overly risky. He noted that approximately 50% of the subprime loans were made by independent mortgage companies that were not regulated by the CRA, and another 25% to 30% came from only partially CRA regulated bank subsidiaries and affiliates. Barr noted that institutions fully regulated by CRA made "perhaps one in four" sub-prime loans, and that "the worst and most widespread abuses occurred in the institutions with the least federal oversight".[109] According to Janet L. Yellen, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, independent mortgage companies made risky "high-priced loans" at more than twice the rate of the banks and thrifts; most CRA loans were responsibly made, and were not the higher-priced loans that have contributed to the current crisis.[110] A 2008 study by Traiger & Hinckley LLP, a law firm that counsels financial institutions on CRA compliance, found that CRA regulated institutions were less likely to make subprime loans, and when they did the interest rates were lower. CRA banks were also half as likely to resell the loans.[111] Emre Ergungor of the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland found that there was no statistical difference in foreclosure rates between regulated and less-regulated banks, although a local bank presence resulted in fewer foreclosures.[112]

Thanks for pointing that out re the CRA.
 
That's not my understanding.

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Quote from Halal Burger:

Remember that's it's only Americans that actually call America the greatest country in the world.
 
There is an entire generation that is screwed for a very long time over student loans. By entire, I mean 80% are screwed. The fractional reserve + usury system is inherently finite on a mathematical basis, but it hits the wall earlier due to the uneven distribution of wealth/income/debt and the service of the debt.

Taxes, fines, fees of all stripes are forms of wealth redistribution. The joke is on people who believe that the government can allocate money better than the private sector. What the government can do as we approach the wall is kick the can down the road marginally longer (stimulus/taxation) as prudent AND ABLE participants elect to save and not spend/consume.

:D
 
Quote from Sandybestdog:

So if our entire monetary system is basically a fraudulent ponzi scheme whereby it is physically impossible to repay all of the principal and interest, why are people here advocating debtors prison? That’s like 10 people having a race and you scream at 9 of them saying that it is unacceptable that they lost when in fact that is the only thing that can happen because only one person can actually win a race. But I guess if it makes them feel better . . . . . .

Any usury-based monetary system requires the constant influx of more credit to ensure interest gets paid. Sea shells, tally sticks, gold, oil, whatever.

When interest enters the equation, money supply must grow.

The problem with fiat money is two-fold:

1) Banks hold a monopoly on credit creation, and therefore, are the sole benefactors of interest charged on risk-free capital. A total scam. Which is why Bankers run the World.

2) That monopoly on risk-free capital incentivizes banks to take HUGE, LEVERAGED portfolios which manifest themselves as debt explosions. The result are bubbles, of one type or another, that destroy real wealth by creating unsustainable asset prices, which ordinary people take on DEBT to buy. When that bubble pops, values disappear, but the debt (and interest on that debt) remains.... A nice way to charge 10$ for a 50 cent loaf of bread, for a couple decades..

The result is huge swaths of private wealth channeled away from the laborers who earn it, into the greasy hands of bankers who created that debt with nothing (which is why they did it...)

The real problem is the PRICE OF CAPITAL. How it should be determined? And who should issue it?

The answer to both is the Free Market. Legalize competing currencies, fuck the banks, and let the market set interest rates. Rates, under a free-floating system would be much higher (7-10%), bubbles far less common, growth far more stable, and capital allocation MORE PRUDENTLY INVESTED.

Unlike the system we have now that practically gives money away to the flat-broke, unemployed, and insolvent who have no chance in hell of paying it back. That type of drunken sailor lending is what creates huge market distortions, compels money to chase assets, which evolve into bubbles. which evolve into financial blackholes that suck-in even legitimately earned wealth where its later destroyed, er, "Redistributed" to our Banker friends,

Its a system that was set up by the Bankers, for the Bankers.

And yes, there really is a level where private and public debt becomes untenable and a Nation gets crushed under interest payments. Happens in the 3rd world, all the time. Usually 200% debt to GDP. Sounds like a lot, but the FED and Treasury have already channeled north of 6 Trillion to banks. A couple more bubbles (or an extended crash of the current), and we'll easily hit 00%. Then, its' a huge short squeeze for the dollar and Uncle Sam will look to taxpayers to pick up the shortfall. Think the IRS is an attack dog now? It'll look something akin to the end of Rome. With citizens chained to their farms. When the dollar goes, America is done for. Lil' Timmay Geitner and notable banking globalists are calling for the end of the dollar reserve and a new reserve currency. People really don't get the significance of that. Not only is a dollar collapse possible, but OUR GOVERNMENT IS MAKING OVERTURES IT INTENDS TO PUSH IT OFF THE CLIFF.

Our private and public spending is financed almost entirely by the belief that the dollars we repay, will be of approximate (or better) value than the dollars we borrow. When Bernacke FORCES the market to reconsider this little fairy tale, which he will (Timmay Geitner says yes), well, thats the End. Or, for the Perma-Bulls, 'a new beginning'. Except with Martial Law. 100% up-room to go in Defense, Security and Surveillance Tech companies ! The next growth industry to bust America out of its rut, perhaps?!?? :D
 
Quote from ipatent:

<p>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/weekinreview/26streitfeld.html?ref=business</p>
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<p>Melissa Birks is being stalked. Her cellphone keeps ringing, always from a caller marked &ldquo;unknown.&rdquo; She says she knows it is her <a title="More articles about credit cards." href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/credit_and_money_cards/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier">credit card</a> company wondering why she stopped making payments. Ms. Birks, who owes $28,830, has nothing to say.</p>
<p>Those on the front lines of the debt industry say there is a small but increasingly noticeable group of strapped consumers who, like Ms. Birks, are deciding they will simply stop paying. After loading up



Thats hwta ive done for the last 1year! :) :D :cool: :p


the banks were soooo stupid
 
Quote from ByLoSellHi:

Screw the usurious credit card slimef**ks.

Let's hope they all go broke.

Just which CC company put a gun to peoples' head and forced them to "charge it"?
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

Just which CC company put a gun to peoples' head and forced to charge?

They've gone way too far; they're far worse than the mafia or money changers in Herod's Temple.
 
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