When Debtors Decide to Default

Quote from Sandybestdog:

If there is $100 in the money supply, then banks can lend $1000 in loans. If they charge 20% interest, then a year later $1200 is owed. My question is, how are the borrowers supposed to pay back $1200 in loans, when there is only $1000 in the money supply?

Create derivatives on that $100 in the money supply, reduce it down to $10 in reserves and voila, all the money you need.
 
Quote from ipatent:

These people should be assigned permanent mentors or guidance counselors and shouldn't be permitted to borrow money unless the counselor signs off on it. In effect, they need to be treated like children as they have a childlike mentality.

Yep. On the front page of my local paper a few weeks ago there was a couple bitching about a lender that told them they could afford a house when they could not. Stories about not understanding what a balloon loan is, or what the A in ARM means are common.

Some are too stupid to understand life. Most are just too damn lazy to bother to read the contract when buying something worth many years of wages, learn a little bit about mortgages or make a guess about how much of a payment they can afford.

This is the direct result of government making a "whiffle ball world" (thanks to P.J. O'Rourke for this phrase) for all of us. Government protects us from so much that we can't even spend a few seconds to read the list of ingredients on the label of a new product or think critically about anything other than who is likely to win American Idol.
 
those vile tv and radio ads encouraging people to 'negotiate' their legitimate debt are at least as bad as the ads we had for 'no money down' liaR LOANS.

shut those companies down
 
Quote from stock777:

those vile tv and radio ads encouraging people to 'negotiate' their legitimate debt are at least as bad as the ads we had for 'no money down' liaR LOANS.

My theory is that those ads, the NYT articles that encourage borrowers to chisel on their debts and the recent signs of conscience by the FASB are all part of a plot by Goldman and JPM to destabilize the regional banks so they can gobble them up on the cheap when commercial real estate crashes.

It was the plan all along.
 
Quote from ipatent:

My theory is that those ads, the NYT articles that encourage borrowers to chisel on their debts and the recent signs of conscience by the FASB are all part of a plot by Goldman and JPM to destabilize the regional banks so they can gobble them up on the cheap when commercial real estate crashes.

It was the plan all along.
Ya know, that sounds plausible.
 
Quote from PragmaticIdeals:

Let's use a more realistic example:

START OF YEAR

$100 initial money supply (net worth).

Banks lend $400 combined at t = 0

END OF YEAR

Interest at 5% for the year = $20

Principal repayment = $400

--

$80 consumer net worth

--

Ergo, with 0% increase in the base money supply (not accurate, but base money supply actually increases VERY little), just a 5% interest rate and a standard money-multiplier resulting in $400 of loans from a $100 base has caused a dramatic reduction in consumer wealth. From $80 to $100.

Technically, in this example, there would be high deflation as less consumer value is around to reprice goods in the market. However, since it is unlikely that the $400 is to be paid off (or defaulted on) in a single year, a lot of that money will continue to exist in the system and be used to price goods.

That is, until all the credit is wiped from the system and the destructive power of the fractional reserve system in concert with low-to-0 increase in the base monetary supply is exposed.

It has been said that 97% of all dollars in circulation today are debt-created. Just because a lot of that money is sitting in company X's balance sheet as an 'asset' does not imply that the same money is not on company Y's balance sheet as debt.

How long can the Ponzi Leverage Scheme exist? Well, that is anybody's guess, since a prolonged monetization period as well as debt-restructuring/modification initiatives can both serve to 'push the can further down the road.'
So if our entire monetary system is basically a fraudulent ponzi scheme whereby it is physically impossible to repay all of the principal and interest, why are people here advocating debtors prison? That’s like 10 people having a race and you scream at 9 of them saying that it is unacceptable that they lost when in fact that is the only thing that can happen because only one person can actually win a race. But I guess if it makes them feel better . . . . . .
 
we as americans have been raised to charge, charge, charge, borrow borrow. We have to change our mind set from being a nation of debtors to a nation of savers. Dont use your credit cards anymore, dont buy a bunch of useless crap. If you don't have the cash then don't get it, wait an extra month or year or whatever. nothing is worse than not being able to sleep months on end because you owe more than you can pay. Credit is a way to make normal citizens into slaves for the big corporations. Learn to break the cycle and lets all start fresh.
 
Quote from dirkd:

we as americans have been raised to charge, charge, charge, borrow borrow. We have to change our mind set from being a nation of debtors to a nation of savers. Dont use your credit cards anymore, dont buy a bunch of useless crap. If you don't have the cash then don't get it, wait an extra month or year or whatever. nothing is worse than not being able to sleep months on end because you owe more than you can pay. Credit is a way to make normal citizens into slaves for the big corporations. Learn to break the cycle and lets all start fresh.
If I go to the hospital because I broke my arm and the doctor says it’s going to be $1000 to fix it but I only $500, what should I tell the doctor? Well gee doc, I’m not supposed to borrow money, I only have $500 now, so can you fix half my arm now and I’ll come back when I have the other $500.
 
Quote from Sandybestdog:

So if our entire monetary system is basically a fraudulent ponzi scheme whereby it is physically impossible to repay all of the principal and interest, why are people here advocating debtors prison? That’s like 10 people having a race and you scream at 9 of them saying that it is unacceptable that they lost when in fact that is the only thing that can happen because only one person can actually win a race. But I guess if it makes them feel better . . . . . .

That's not the way to look at it. The fractional reserve lending scheme works fine until one of the links breaks by one of the depositors in the chain going broke. Deadbeats and irresponsible investors are the biggest risks to the fractional reserve lending system because they are most likely to become the broken link. Therefore loaning money to likely deadbeats or to stupid, impulsive or irresponsible people is a bad idea. When my dog started getting CC offers in the mail around 2004 I knew there was going to be a problem.

Barney Frank and his pals were forcing the banks to loan to bad credit risks via the CRA at the same time they were allowing the banks to overleverage themselves. That is what caused the present state of affairs.
 
I must be doing something wrong. I think i'll max out my 700k credit lines and just stiff em all.

I hear Uraguay is nice this time of year.
 
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