Because Kaps protest was legal..only issue was whether his employer was ok with it.
Blocking roads in a protest is ILLEGAL.
Whats going on with all these people ready to give up their rights?
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Because Kaps protest was legal..only issue was whether his employer was ok with it.
Blocking roads in a protest is ILLEGAL.
As in any protest, the government can arrest anyone who breaks the law.
At the risk of creating martyrs and fanning the flames.
Nothing new under the sun there.
I do have to laugh at the situation in Colorado. The "Operation Gridlock" Liberate protestors get mad at medical counter-protestors for blocking the street.
I agree but the comment was about these protesters and their 1st A rights.
When Kap protested people said he should be kicked out of the league and he was wrong for doing it even though his team allowed it.
But there was a lot of people claiming first amendment protection for the Michigan protesters but not a peep about the part where they illegally blocked traffic as part of their protest. Not protected speech.
Then the deflection about NFL being private blah blah...
The point was the Michigan protests were applauded even though most of it was illegal...1st A rights are not absolute.
Protesting is an untidy game by nature.
Many/most people acknowledge the validity of the underlying issues that civil rights protesters advocated.
There were times though when their protests involved rioting and burning down entire sections of cities.
Blocking the road and preventing traffic is illegal, agreed. Protesting on the road isn't.
All I said was that Kap's protest wasn't a 1A issue as you mentioned. If you didn't mean it that way, then it was a misunderstanding.
Despite nationwide protests, Americans overwhelmingly support coronavirus restrictions
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coro...0200422-zr7vsqucrfgk5lxhuf7hvbub5m-story.html
"Only 12% of Americans say the measures where they live go too far. About twice as many people, 26%, believe the limits don’t go far enough. The majority of Americans — 61% — feel the steps taken by government officials to prevent infections of COVID-19 in their area are about right.
About 8 in 10 Americans say they support measures that include requiring Americans to stay in their homes and limiting gatherings to 10 people or fewer — numbers that have largely held steady over the past few weeks."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coro...0200422-zr7vsqucrfgk5lxhuf7hvbub5m-story.html
"Only 12% of Americans say the measures where they live go too far. About twice as many people, 26%, believe the limits don’t go far enough. The majority of Americans — 61% — feel the steps taken by government officials to prevent infections of COVID-19 in their area are about right.
About 8 in 10 Americans say they support measures that include requiring Americans to stay in their homes and limiting gatherings to 10 people or fewer — numbers that have largely held steady over the past few weeks."
Assuming this poll is actually reflective of national opinion, which is debatable, let's ask a few other questions. First and foremost how long are you okay with the current measures of enforcement? Secondly how long would you be accepting if the government wasn't providing additional funds to support you financially? How long should the government provide these funds? Lastly, what exactly do you think is an acceptable level for rate of infection and death before you would consider things to be safe as can be expected?
I think the main takeaway from all that's going on is that we all need to go the distance to come out okay on the other side, whatever the hardship may be between now and then. How long? I don't think we get to dictate terms to the virus. I think it's the other way around.
In the meantime, we'd all do well to suck it up and hunker down.
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Well I can only provide my personal perspective.
Germany is serving as a good example of the right way to pursue re-opening. Germany has used wide-scale testing and contact tracing to drive the effective R0 rate down towards 0.7; the intent is to have more people recovered each day than infected. In fact this is one of their key criteria for pursuing the "next stage" of re-opening.
Most medical experts have recommended that "stay at home" remain in place for 60 days before a staged re-opening is pursued with one of the entry criteria being that wide-scale testing and contact tracing is available.
I am fine with North Carolina keeping "stay at home" in place until the end of May then starting with a staged re-opening. Surveys from local media show that the majority of the population in North Carolina support this timeline.
I have not taken any money from the government; I do not qualify. All the members of my family are still employed at full salary.
From a rate of infection criteria; I would consider things safe as can be expected for start re-opening when the effective infection rate (R0) is driven to 0.7 by wide-scale testing and contact tracing. Following the example of Germany.
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As a side note; I believe that the government providing $1200 to nearly all people including all of those who have not been impacted whatsoever financially is absurd. It is costing the U.S. approx $250 Billion.
We should have put this money into supporting people who are unemployed or have reduced pay/hours due to COVID-19. These are the people who need the financial support to pay their bills. I know we added $600 weekly etc. We should consider an approach to similar countries where we provide the unemployed with 80% or more of their salaries until they have jobs again when we "open for business".