Whats going on with all these people ready to give up their rights?

[El OchoCinco]

I don't know. I hope he is beginning to understand that the economic cost to people is far greater than the potential risk of an overblown crisis. Don't get me wrong, I believe this is a nasty virus. But its not as bad as is being claimed, and we will likely never know how wrong they were because they'll never admit it.

My guess is we will open back up and this will fade from memory with everyone scratching their heads as to why we did what we did. But we'll keep on being told "it was for our own good". Those who were pushing the narrative of the end of the world will immediately pivot and claim we avoided the apocalypse because we isolated (ignoring that they told us to isolate far longer and in much more harsh a manner). Its a no lose for the narrative.

As I said you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. People are complaining that not enough is being done and people are protesting too much was done.

Neitehr side is particularly right and there is relatively no obvious middle ground. I think this Novel COVID is different than other viruses in the past and even the flu so some different type of reaction is warranted but no clear science backs what that is.

One thing is clear is the draconian measures could have been avoided to some extent if we were not so worried about politics and Trump was not lying or trying to downplay it so much due to ego and simply attacked it head on. We had plenty of warning in February from reactions of other countries and information that finally cmae out of China. Even WHO did send out information for testing protocols that SK followed quickly successfully.
Also SK and Taiwan had testing being done en masse back in February I believe and got a grip on it faster which we failed miserably.

One thing I do believe is that if we reacted better as a country in February we would be emerging right now from the worst and even would have been seeing openings in early April.

 

[gwb-trading]

Yeah, this is pretty dumb. Darwin pushed "Survival of the Fittest". He'd probably advocate for Herd Immunity, not the "shelter in place and cower" approach.

Darwin also promoted the concept that poor decisions and adaptations lead to extinction.

Which is where the current "Darwin Award" concept comes in.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Darwin also promoted the concept that poor decisions and adaptations lead to extinction.

Which is where the current "Darwin Award" concept comes in.

This is true. With the noted distinction that poor decisions and adaptations were provable by science via cause/effect and not just conjecture based.

 

[Tsing Tao]

As I said you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. People are complaining that not enough is being done and people are protesting too much was done.

Neitehr side is particularly right and there is relatively no obvious middle ground. I think this Novel COVID is different than other viruses in the past and even the flu so some different type of reaction is warranted but no clear science backs what that is.

One thing is clear is the draconian measures could have been avoided to some extent if we were not so worried about politics and Trump was not lying or trying to downplay it so much due to ego and simply attacked it head on. We had plenty of warning in February from reactions of other countries and information that finally cmae out of China. Even WHO did send out information for testing protocols that SK followed quickly successfully.
Also SK and Taiwan had testing being done en masse back in February I believe and got a grip on it faster which we failed miserably.

One thing I do believe is that if we reacted better as a country in February we would be emerging right now from the worst and even would have been seeing openings in early April.

Trump was certainly more part of the problem and less the solution when this first started - which was when it most mattered.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Darwin also promoted the concept that poor decisions and adaptations lead to extinction.

Which is where the current "Darwin Award" concept comes in.

But as you noted earlier, innocents will be taken down with them. This story breaks my heart:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...covid-19-youngest-michigan-victim/5170070002/

The 5-year-old daughter of a police officer and a firefighter, who succumbed to complications stemming from the coronavirus.

When does this stupid and dangerous protesting cross the line of criminal negligence?

 

[gwb-trading]

I know you do. You've always been good about separating your opinion and calling it out appropriately.

We shall see if your prophecy about these protesters comes true. I have no doubt you will return to provide the article or two that calls out a few of the cases that came from protesting - scientifically proven or otherwise.

Kentucky sees record spike in coronavirus cases days after lockdown protests
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-record-spike-coronavirus-cases-lockdown-protests

Kentucky witnessed its highest daily spike in coronavirus cases Sunday – just days after hundreds of protesters broke social distancing measures and gathered outside the state capitol building to demand Gov. Andy Beshear reopen the economy.

(More at above url)

 

[wildchild]

Where is all this defense for the right to protest when athletes were kneeling...is the right to protest protected or only if you agree with the message and method?

Nice strawman argument.

 

[El OchoCinco]

But valid.....someone kneeling to protest something...

someone going out in the middle of traffic and blocking it up to protest ....

Whether you agree with the protest, Kap's was legal and the other people were illegally gathered and blocked traffic.

I remember when a protest involving minorities happened there were a lot of tough guys here bitching about it and some random comments about driving right through...

So again....1st amedment only is important when it is the right message or color I guess.

 

[wildchild]

But valid.....someone kneeling to protest something...

someone going out in the middle of traffic and blocking it up to protest ....

Whether you agree with the protest, Kap's was legal and the other people were illegally gathered and blocked traffic.

I remember when a protest involving minorities happened there were a lot of tough guys here bitching about it and some random comments about driving right through...

So again....1st amedment only is important when it is the right message or color I guess.

Nice Strawman argument.

 

[Tsing Tao]

But valid.....someone kneeling to protest something...

someone going out in the middle of traffic and blocking it up to protest ....

Whether you agree with the protest, Kap's was legal and the other people were illegally gathered and blocked traffic.

I remember when a protest involving minorities happened there were a lot of tough guys here bitching about it and some random comments about driving right through...

So again....1st amedment only is important when it is the right message or color I guess.

I'm not sure why you brought this up again when you and I talked about it. Kap's protest was the dominion of the NFL. He was an employee and protested during employer time. It was not subject to the 1A. It was a question of company policy.

People protesting on a public road are subject to 1A.