What really happened ....11 september

haroki doesnt trade, he cuts iron for a living. rofl
Quote from Maverick1:

Haroki,

The following is from NIST's website:

"NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A). "

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

(question 6)

Do yourself a favor, and learn how to count to 11. It might do wonders for your credibility, and who knows, might also help you with your trading too.
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Quote from ratboy88:

"NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon."

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
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Here's the funny thing - I never claimed any pancaking - Mav did. ANd you've been busy chasing your little Rat tail all this time..

In fact, I said NO to pancaking.... LMAO



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Quote from Maverick1:

So Haroki, ummmm, ALL the explosions heard by the firefighters and other witnesses were caused by the electric transformers exploding, is that correct?..... Is that what you are saying?

Further you are saying that the pancaking is responsible for explosions being heard from LOWER floors too right?

Just wanted to make sure my eyes read your statements right.
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1- it's possible

2- no

What statements did I make?
 
Quote from Bitstream:

haroki doesnt trade, he cuts iron for a living. rofl
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Wrong, I trade for extra money.

I have a real job...

I build choppers as a hobby....

And how much did YOU make trading this year? What did I read in the P/L thread ? $4k..... LMAO....
 
Quote from Haroki:

Wrong, I trade for extra money.

I have a real job...

I build choppers as a hobby....

And how much did YOU make trading this year? What did I read in the P/L thread ? $4k..... LMAO....
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i did crap this yr, was flat 'till last month, now up a little bit, no problem admitting it. on the other hand trading is not my main source of income, but no, unilke u i dont cut iron neither repair transformers, ror.
 
Quote from Haroki:

Do you know what an oxy-acetylene torch is?

Do you know what those cuts look like?

I work iron, and I do.....

And that's a torch cut...

http://www.debunking911.com/angcut.jpg

Go to that photo and there's your column, except it's a bigger view.

So what's the column in front and to the right look like? It's snapped off, right? Do you see any cut marks on it, at all?

Hmmmmm, does this raise any skepticism in your view ??
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yeah... it raises skepticism since the metal was shipped off to china by ole rudy boy. torch??? thermite??? i guess we will never know since they tampered with a crime scene. does a torch keep metal in a molten state till late december? hmmmmmmm i wonder?
 
Quote from Maverick1:

Haroki,

The following is from NIST's website:

"NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A). "

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

(question 6)

Do yourself a favor, and learn how to count to 11. It might do wonders for your credibility, and who knows, might also help you with your trading too.
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The first exterior panels.........

So the exterior panels fell through the air, right? Sounds like free fall to me, yep. Under THAT condition, the panels can't do anything BUT fall at free fall speeds...

But what about the rest of the building? Or are you claiming that the whole building fell in lock step with the exterior panels? Surely, even you're not THAT dumb.....
 
c'mon, 10 sec or 20 sec it is still near free fall speed, consistent with demolition. pyroclastic clouds were there, sudden onset also, explosions, and all the other ten characteristics typical of demolition all present.
Quote from Haroki:

The first exterior panels.........

So the exterior panels fell through the air, right? Sounds like free fall to me, yep. Under THAT condition, the panels can't do anything BUT fall at free fall speeds...

But what about the rest of the building? Or are you claiming that the whole building fell in lock step with the exterior panels? Surely, even you're not THAT dumb.....
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Quote from Haroki:

Wrong, I trade for extra money.

I have a real job...

I build choppers as a hobby....

And how much did YOU make trading this year? What did I read in the P/L thread ? $4k..... LMAO....
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Yeah, look who's laughing at other's trading results: an admitted non trader in 2004 who seems to have a strong liking for Wizetrade. Why don't you talk about your trading results since 2004 and your Wizetrade experiment huh? At least Bitstream had the gumption to openly post his results. Why don't you show your results if you will take the liberty to make fun of his? Would you care to tell us how much "extra money" you have made since 2004 when you said you were a 'non trader'?

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02-05-03 04:11 AM

Hey guys, as a new trader tired of seeing the 401k disappear down the crapper, I have been looking at software that can help me with my decision making. I realize that the majority of you don't need or trust that kind of help, but I sure could use it. I also have an inherent distrust of these programs, but I think it would help me with the learning curve if I can understand why such and such is recommended.

What can you recommend ?

My favorites to date is: Best Choice, Omnitrader, Wizetrade, and Tradestation.

Any help or insight would be appreciated.

Thanks


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07-20-04 04:44 AM

I thought Wize used buyer/seller pressure as it's way of determining red/ green. Is that right? Someone said it looks like MA, but is it true that the MA follows the buyer/seller balance? Kinda like which comes first, the chicken or the egg. Does it stand to reason that buyer/seller relationships determine the MA trends, and is an earlier indicator than MA? Just a few thoughts from a non trader.

Haroki"




This is my last post on this thread. I don't want to waste any more time or energy with posters like Haroki. I think that enough material has been posted ( I posted material from both sides) to allow anyone who is committed to the truth to do their own digging, as difficult as that is to do.

Good luck everyone.
 
Quote from Bitstream:

i did crap this yr, was flat 'till last month, now up a little bit, no problem admitting it. on the other hand trading is not my main source of income, but no, unilke u i dont cut iron neither repair transformers, ror.
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Thanks, so by your own admission you have no idea about workin' iron.....

So how are you able to judge the claims made by the CT'ers?

Are you THAT gullible?

Do you have ANY experience with the real world, you know, how things REALLY work?
 
thx for your contributions, really appreciated by all of us searching for the truth.


all the best.:)
Quote from Maverick1:

Yeah, look who's laughing at other's trading results: an admitted non trader in 2004 who seems to have a strong liking for Wizetrade. Why don't you talk about your trading results since 2004 and your Wizetrade experiment huh? At least Bitstream had the gumption to openly post his results. Why don't you show your results if you will take the liberty to make fun of his? Would you care to tell us how much "extra money" you have made since 2004 when you said you were a 'non trader'?

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02-05-03 04:11 AM

Hey guys, as a new trader tired of seeing the 401k disappear down the crapper, I have been looking at software that can help me with my decision making. I realize that the majority of you don't need or trust that kind of help, but I sure could use it. I also have an inherent distrust of these programs, but I think it would help me with the learning curve if I can understand why such and such is recommended.

What can you recommend ?

My favorites to date is: Best Choice, Omnitrader, Wizetrade, and Tradestation.

Any help or insight would be appreciated.

Thanks


and



07-20-04 04:44 AM

I thought Wize used buyer/seller pressure as it's way of determining red/ green. Is that right? Someone said it looks like MA, but is it true that the MA follows the buyer/seller balance? Kinda like which comes first, the chicken or the egg. Does it stand to reason that buyer/seller relationships determine the MA trends, and is an earlier indicator than MA? Just a few thoughts from a non trader.

Haroki"




This is my last post on this thread. I don't want to waste any more time or energy with posters like Haroki. I think that enough material has been posted ( I posted material from both sides) to allow anyone who is committed to the truth to do their own digging, as difficult as that is to do.

Good luck everyone.
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