What really happened ....11 september

Quote from Haroki:

Please expand your statement....

I believe - but not sure - that the OS is that the collapse caused the pancaking.

Correct me if I'm in error.

Oh, and include a link so that I can read it, otherwise, it's all just

PFFFFFFT

no the original story is the other way around.
search it, if u cant find it i'll try to spoon feed u.
 
Quote from Haroki:

Pardon me sir, but your paranoia is showing...

So skeptics of the alternative story/believers of the official story are neocon supporters?

If so, I believe you need to put your trading guru ZZZzzzz in that group, and I hardly believe he's a neocon supporter...


even worse if u are not a neokon...at least if u were u had a justification to be in utter denial.

actually yes i believe u ought to be a neokon otherwise u would be screaming for a new independent investigation instead than try and justify the lack of depth and sincerity of your govt, nist, fema, etc. with unsustainable assumptions.
 
Quote from Maverick1:


When one puts all these pieces of evidence together, .......... one really has no choice, if one is intellectually honest, to seriously question the official account of what really happened that day.

Hey, don't get me wrong, being a skeptic is good. A good skeptic says that I remain unconvinced for now, so answer these questions, etc.....

But a believer says that he can't be convinced otherwise, no matter what the supporting evidence that you show me...

I, for one, remain a skeptic about the AS crew. I have read the questions asked, and they have been answered believably.
 
Quote from Bitstream:

even worse if u are not a neokon...at least if u were u had a justification to be in utter denial.

actually yes i believe u ought to be a neokon otherwise u would be screaming for a new independent investigation instead than try and justify the lack of depth and sincerity of your govt, nist, fema, etc. with unsustainable assumptions.

So is Zizzo screaming for a new investigation ????
 
Quote from Bitstream:

no the original story is the other way around.
search it, if u cant find it i'll try to spoon feed u.

OS = Official Story, not original...

And yes, I've read that after they changed their story AFTER they had more evidence - which, by the way, is what a good investigation should do. Not stick to their first story....
 
Quote from Haroki:

OS = Official Story, not original...

And yes, I've read that after they changed their story AFTER they had more evidence - which, by the way, is what a good investigation should do. Not stick to their first story....

no u just dont get it: it was the official story and they really never changed shit. they had a duty to find what caused the collapse and once the pancake theory fell apart they didnt make any effort to investigate other possibilities. nist only analyzed what happened after the collapse, with regurgitated facts we all were aware of, abandoning altogether the objective of the investigation. they also lied multiple times and told us they had a computer generated program to show it was the pancake that caused the collapse but refused to produce any evidence.

the nist investigation, to put it midly, was a fraud.
 
Quote from Haroki:

Please expand your statement....

I believe - but not sure - that the OS is that the collapse caused the pancaking.

Correct me if I'm in error.

Oh, and include a link so that I can read it, otherwise, it's all just

PFFFFFFT

"NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon."

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
 
Quote from ratboy88:

lol... snapping steel with 45 degree cuts. this getting good!!!!

pic87970.jpg

Do you know what an oxy-acetylene torch is?

Do you know what those cuts look like?

I work iron, and I do.....

And that's a torch cut...

http://www.debunking911.com/angcut.jpg

Go to that photo and there's your column, except it's a bigger view.

So what's the column in front and to the right look like? It's snapped off, right? Do you see any cut marks on it, at all?

Hmmmmm, does this raise any skepticism in your view ??
 
Quote from Haroki:

And here's the big misrepresentation - that it took 9 seconds. I count 15 seconds.

seismic data back me up here.

http://www.911myths.com/html/seismic_collapse_time.html

Haroki,

The following is from NIST's website:

"NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A). "

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

(question 6)

Do yourself a favor, and learn how to count to 11. It might do wonders for your credibility, and who knows, might also help you with your trading too.
 
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