What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?
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It's in the Faith not the Shroud...
You have faith but, you also, have the Shroud to back it up. Noah's Ark was also, found in Mt. Ararat in Turkey. Proves that there was in fact an Ark. Non-believers will always point to science to try and discredit things they do not believe in. Physical proof makes it harder to debunk it.
It reminds when Jesus was tempted by Satan to turn stone into bread, the disbelievers ask for proof so they can steal what they can't see...
First photo of The Holy Shroud of Napkin.
The Shroud of Napkin (or Napkin Shroud) is a paper napkin bearing the image of a being who appears to have been physically traumatized in a manner consistent with boiling pasta. It is presently kept in a secret location. Some believe it is the paper that covered the Flying Spaghetti Monster when he was placed in his tomb and that his image was somehow recorded on its fibers at or near the time of his imputed resurrection. Skeptics contend the shroud is a contemporary hoax or forgery. It is the subject of intense debate among some scientists, true believers, historians and writers regarding where, when, and how the shroud and its images were created.
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The napkin is rectangular, measuring approximately 12 x 13 inches. The paper is imprinted with a herringbone pattern and is composed of low-grade paper fibers commonly found in fast-food napkins. It bears the image of a bilateral pastoid, featuring a meat-based skeletal structure. Dark red stains, either blood or a tomatoey substance meant to be perceived as blood, were initially reported to be found on the napkin, but have since either faded or miraculously disappeared. Radiocarbon tests date the manufacture of the napkin to 21 August, 2005.
This seems admirable so why did Jesus warn about "Lord, Lord" lip service? And A-Z is fine but could just be flattery if not understood. And is Christ one to be flattered?%%,%%%%%%%
King + King of Kings, Lord of lords;
my LORD+ Lord of Angel Armies. And more than that......; he is A-Z......................................................................................................................
The reason there is this warning is because Jesus taught equality ...whereas such approbations smack of higherarchy (inequality).
I already talked about the no beginning of Christ so what is this alpha and omega? It means in terms of the time based world Jesus takes responsibility for that. And because it does not conform with the nature of Christ (the "will of Good"), Jesus also intends for it to end as Christ withdraws the fiat (faith) that initiated the time based phenomenon in the first place.
Otherwise there's no need for Good/Christ to come to an end (omega)...nor is it possible.
Heirarchy is actually a temptation . Note well Jesus was tempted with gaining all the kingdom's of the world...if he would only now down to, uh, the devil. You see, in accepting higherarchy , one does bend the knee to that entity which makes hierarchy in the first place (Good is not the author of inequality/inequity/iniquity).
Hence the warning. And if you want to maintain that Jesus taught or is somehow involved in the endorsement of hierarchy then you misunderstand his own teachings and contribute to the ongoing blasphemy which defames a Good that has offered equality to any being (for example a "son") which is created by it.
On the contrary, whatever made the time based world of man clearly did not offer equality to its offspring...not even offered an equal share in knowledge. And in every other way you can see that man is in a heirarchy relative to man's maker (not Good) really giving a lie to the statement "made in Good's image" (unless Good is a multiplicious heirarchy that argues with itself).
In the parable of the prodigal son it is noted that he took his inheritance with him. Given that his inheritance included equality...and hence the same power of Good (as well the same knowledge/omniscience) , he would indeed have the power to contrive the "intelligent design" (faith) that makes up this world. But the artifice that makes (not creates) time (with a beginning) does not create legitimacy or permanancy...and the one that makes such a world (the prodigal son) will also play a key role in its dissolution (the omega).
If it makes you feel better there is no need to think of Jesus as the "devil" who made this world, even though he has confessed to it (the only confession of sin that really matters). The devil is not any kind of permanent entity...and is not something that has or is Life like Christ (hence the devil can only give a mockery of life). Instead...the devil can be thought of as more of a principle or power or dominion...ecompassing the dominion of imagination through faith (not knowledge) backed by all of the prodigal sons inherited power (which he "squanders" btw). If the devil was an actually existing being then it could be argued that there are other goods beside Good...which there are not.
As a principality or power or dominion the devil can be thought of as the capacity for the prodigal son...within his own mind... to deceive himself in regards his "father", his own self, and in regards his kingdom (a euphemism for one's own nature/self as Good). Self deception is difficult to deal with when temptations to ALTER the nature of Good as well Goods "kingdom" and remake it within the domain of imagination.
As such the devil can simply be thought of as all that is difficult. To the extent that the imagination based world (temporal time based) presents constant difficulties it is the "devil" which temps us to solve those difficulties with heirarchal structures (any and every kind of earthly government).
But ultimately it is self deception led astray by a desire to obtain MORE than was originally offered by Good...which was EVERYTHING.
The basic problem of seeking more than everything should be philosophically self evident: The only way to have more is to take less . And this is the basis of the downward trajectory (transformation) that turns the entire power of spirit into every creeping and crawling thing on the face of the earth . This is the truest story of how the "devil " was "cast down" as well how the "son" of Good "became flesh".
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King + King of Kings, Lord of lords;
my LORD+ Lord of Angel Armies. And more than that......; he is A-Z......................................................................................................................
Spelling correction: Bow (down).
And further expansion:
Note that even to be any kind of "king" in the earth, Jesus would have to "bow down".
And why is this? Because the very concept of hierarchy is what one bows down to...whether one seeks the top of the hierarchy, the bottom, or some place in the middle...whenever hierarchy is accepted over Good's equality.
Heirarchy is synonymous with inequality...which is synonymous with inequity which is synonymous with iniquity which is synonymous with sin.
The apostate Paul shows his incompetence as a teacher of Jesus' Way when he offers every believer a place in a heirarchy going so far as to suggest just where in the hierarchy a believer (someone who falls for the temptation) can obtain. And even amongst the believers it's clear Paul believes various positions or crowns will be distributed according to ones fruits so to speak.
Here then is one of the CORE temptations inherent to existence in this world, swallowed whole, as if offered by Jesus himself. One would think Christians would be the first to recognize this and take warning . But perhaps the first will be last.
The apostate Paul was tempted by the concept of hierarchy and exerted superhuman effort to one day be in a position to what? Judge angels? Be among 70 elders watching over the new neo kingdom...with its seat of power in Jerusalem ?
Clearly Paul bowed down and taught others to do the same. And because he merely appealed to the base sin nature of humanity he found a lot of takers and it's not surprising it is popular as most of humanity walks the "broad path".
The acceptance (of the temptation to partake in) of any hierarchy is the acceptance of ALL hierarchy . It's a temptation to solve heirarchal difficulties with more hierarchy . And should we use gasoline to put out a gas fire too?
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And we never bought into the so called scientific ''Piltdown man fraud'' or climate change fraud. Bill+ Melinda Gates may or may not believe in God, but they sure believes in giving. Malachi 3 is also personal proof[KJV, NIV]................................................................
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