Quote from Mvic:
someone who knows far more about this stuff than I (bm for example, amongst others who have posted) but the concern that I have with using only TR or NLP is that it just gets at the "how" and not the "why".
TR and NLP seem to be techniques that are an effective answer to the "how to change" question. But I don't think that they offer much help when it comes to "why to make a change".
Without examining the "why" I think any change is by definition superficial (though that does not mean it will not nevertheless be beneficial). For example, setting one's goal as "making a million dollars". That is all well and good and NLP and TR can certainly help get you there but I think you make the whole process that much easier if you also sit down and ask yourself why you want to achieve a specific goal or change in your life. And I am not talking about "I want a million dollars so I can buy that Ferrari I have had my eye on" mode of thinking , but rather questioning why you feel you need the Ferrari in the first place and asking yourself if the opportunity cost is worth it.
Questions like the above will eventually lead you to examine the philosophy by which you live your life. Once you have a good idea of what that philosophy is and know why you wish to adhere to it then you can start making goals and putting them in to action using the variety of tools out there, be it TR, NLP, or something else. Certainly there will be a lot of personal growth involved and the results, I think, will be more likely to stick and be easier to implement amongst other benefits.
A trading analogy would be spending the time to find your edge(reasons why you want to live your life a certain way) and then using tools (NLP, TR, etc) to trade that edge. Of course one can skip finding one's edge by simply following a newsletter or someone like LBR and just use the tools and still have results but I think that it is obvious that this is not a long term nor ideal solution for many reasons.
For the some of the people I would look to would be Jesus, Gandhi, MLK, St Francis, Schweitzer, Hegel, etc . For the how NLP, TR, REBT, etc
Obviously everything is an evolution and all things have their time and place. If I was a smoker and needed to quit right away I would get on a program immediately and then simultaneously start the process of change from within. I wouldn't wait until I had everything figured out first because by the time I had it all figured out (lol) I would be long dead. Point being that immediate and consistent action and is necessary along with serious work on one's philosophy. That philosophy will then fuel and drive future action. It is a life long process, a discovery of one's self and one's potential.
TR does offer that quick start through his programs and he certainly is inspirational for people who are in a place in their lives where their pain makes philosophizing difficult, if not pointless. Along with TR I would recommend a small and simple book called "three minute therapy" for someone who just needs immediate relief and change.
Thanks for all the great posts on this thread, I have learnt a lot and ET clearly has more than a few posters with a passion for life. Good post Chris.
What a thoughtful post.
The views I espouse are more narrow and do not include motivation nor persuading especially.
My focus is the what , how and why for making money by trading.
When people see the opportunity in trading, they usually embark from the point of right where they are standing.
Your comments show how deeply involved this can be.
At the inception of considering trading, people are least able in trems of knowledge, skills and experience. They use what they have at hand to begin.
NLP as it relates to trading is where I focus, but I know full well any effort I make does affect other things besides making money in trading.
To follow a path to expertise in trading which makes tons of money can be done with very few meanderings off the beaten path.
The key thing is to make an exchange of pictures swapping as few as required. Secondly it is important to gain new pictures to round out a complete comprehensive set.
How this is done for making money is not by motivation nor persuasion. It is primarily accomplished by adding provisional pictures and then using them to experience success as a consequence of their use.
In embarking on making money it all must be done in a context. You have to adjust the situation and circumstances to be able to stay around for continually reinforcing successful experiences.
This is why several of the more astute here see acquiring pictures as a process. It is. Tesla's biographer (The Science Editor of the NY tribune) presents as a theme of Tesla's life how he related to others with the pictures he gave them. Mostly as they became colleagues and as other interfaced with him in their acceptance of his very new orientation to so many scientific schemes. On his 100 anniversary Marconi's most famous patent was re-awarded to Tesla. I have enjoyed such collegial relationships in IAS type settings with people like Tesla but from a different era. One of my drivers gave me a copy of bio that had been given by the author to Tesla's closest female friend. She had marked it up completely and put clippings in it over the years. The reason he gave it to me was singular. Those I spent time with were as inspiring as they were famous (Fuller, Schumacher, Chavez, Lindbergh). To a man all had blackboards in their locations. Their ideas are wonderful but what is so deeply moving is the pictures created by processes. It is not unlike quotations of famous people. They are processing pictures for others to get and keep.
For making money, the collegial focus is processing a person along a success path. It is a hand off of one person's pictures to another. The critical way to do it is more "why" than how. The sequence of the process is chosen to create beliefs for decision making. Old beliefs are replaced by new provisional ones. Why the order is done as it is, is because it builds and broadens success. Experts trade all market conditions and continually extract money. The path to that is through process where like minds exchange pictures. All the greats did this their entire lives with those they related to. Successful traders do the same with their pictures. It is just a small local thing as usual. NLP is done using connections among people.
Any method of trading is easily learned. As they say it is not rocket science. With experience any approach becomes very efficient. To make all the improvements possible, a person spends a lot of time being sure of his orientation to the market. What this comes down to is knowing that he can handle what comes up. No worries just doing it. NLP pictures develop and mature into the set of beliefs required to handle what comes up. Why you get NLP pictures polished is to be fluid and seamless with the market. You "see" what is going on because you match your beliefs with the unfolding market continually.
The process for getting a comprehensive complete set of pictures is a process of experiencing success throughout a level by level skills acquisition process while experiencing real time trading. That's how the greats brought along their younger colleagues. And it the same for us plain people who are successful traders helping out others on the path.
Almost all memorable breakthrough events involve "getting it" with a picture.
"don't fall down on the ice"
Do you see no nonsense or nonsense; what a faux pas as a name. lol.
