What is NLP?

I posted two charts on this.

One was a history flow showing who's who and the chronology of the various emerging theories (there are no hustlers or mavens there) See mpt15e.jpg. The second graphic shows the paths vis a vis a person and his environment. See mpt96.jpg.

Three more comments:

1. GG please post the entirety of your nlp message to me and my response. I spent a lot of time on that. And you posting it will help out here. I did pm's vis a vis you and NLP and they will not be posted here.

2. I worked from Ferbruary through August on NLP. 293 pages had interactions between and among traders and myself and between traders. I editied out over 50% of other stuff that was a terrific show of lousy NLP pictures by flamers, lurkers , and crazies. This example makes one simple point. You have to have the pictures to trade. You get the pictures from an external source. It take more time to get pictures than any other aspect of trading. When you foist begin to make money, de facto, you have acquired the minimum sufficiency in pictures.

3. The bad news. I have tested ET vis a vis working with members in forums. You see what the pervasive problems are here viv a vis moderators. As happenstance would have it, the two forums most appropropriate for learning making money have moderators that prevent that. Here I tried one post to a person who made a specific post re their state (NLP). Using some form of something or other, the moderator edited out the substantive content and left in a humous reference indicating he is not read in this field, one I lecture in with a specific focus on training psychiatric faculties in learning and taking risk vis a vis being confident in begining behavioral action to develop skills in areas that are unknown. You can see how I had to deal with the assassination of me contributed by a moderator recently. He is being trained by a team of people at this point to behave. The thread opens the most importent single issue for the well being of traders. Unfortunately the moderator is not up to the task and can be very damaging to people it turns out

This is just my 2 cents. I deeply regret that I cannot participate here.
 
one of the rare times that i actually turned on a TV, who jumped off the screen ?? tony robbins--- a new improved hip version on QVC.

he is selling a program called "get the edge". what intriqued me was a 30 page personality profile that comes with the package. has anyone tried this profile ?? thoughts ???

best,

surfer:)
 
Grob109 requested i post some messages to me re: NLP in this thread.
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No, NLP is mostly relate to the conscious mind. I do not know of or believe that anyone is suggesting that the subconscious is subject to influences of any sort.

your thoughts are a conscious element of your life. the subconscious is not available to you.

We see you working continually on your consciousness. Some of your beliefs have changed over time. Everyone does NLP all the time. Growth is a great example of NLP changes occurring.

Reading is a good idea for getting a grasp of the subject. I posted a chart of the history of it on a timeline so people could get the key names, etc. A search will set that up for you as well. I use it to train others. I am trained in psychology and psychiatry and I also teach and lecture in those fields. My partner fills in some other pieces of the spectrum; she is trained in hypnotism and NLP. Our combination of training and our buddies in these fields make it nice for staying current and be supportive and helpful to others.

I specifically like Tad James's work. His workshops and conferences and writtings and tapes really are informative. A neice of mine and I will be coauthoring a book oriented to NLP and trading. We currently have no specific time table and have been at it for two years so far.

OT

Anyone I work with who is making money in equities and/or futures indexes go through many stages of processing NLP picutres. Basically it is a combination of adding provisional pictures to get a comprehensive holistic set. At the same time all the garbage and baggage present has to be understood and then finally, there is a process for displacing the stuff that is making things not work with the provisional pictures.

You can see this is a process. It is not a book reading thing or a one page statement of what a method is. Learning to make money can be done by anyone who is given a chance usually. The most important thing is to have the belief system to do it.

All actions to make money deal with beliefs as the 3rd of 4 steps in the process of "execution". Beliefs in the way I use the term are a set of NLP pictures that make a person an absolutely expert trader. There are no books on these pictures.
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one of the rare times that i actually turned on a TV, who jumped off the screen ?? tony robbins--- a new improved hip version on QVC.

he is selling a program called "get the edge". what intriqued me was a 30 page personality profile that comes with the package. has anyone tried this profile ?? thoughts ???

best,

surfer:)
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I've done that profile as part of a 2 year long coaching program with one of Tony's coaches. I found it enlightening and scary accurate. I have been told by someone familiar with these tests that the one Tony uses is very similar (if not indeed the same one) to the Minnesota Multi-phasic Inventory. The Get the Edge Program is a bargain, because a personality profile like this can cost upwards of a couple hundred bucks. What I found most useful was the fact the test didn't just reflect what I was like, it directed me in specific ways directly toward improving weak areas or bringing my attention to areas that I've been ignoring. Hope this helps. If you decide to take the test, IMHO spend a few bucks on a trial coaching call. A professional (trained by Tony and staff) will walk you through the results and explain what everything means and how best to use the info. They are thorough and effective at what they do.

Bundle
 
interesing re the profile, I haven't tried that... I do remember taking a quick checklist in one of his books, back in 1994, then re-read it again last year, and it was accurate in predicting my values, how life would turn out based on what I said etc... good stuff...


ken
 
Scientology are specialists for that. In fact they have 4 firms that do management consulting for big firms like Mac Donald - so that you don't wonder any more where the managers at Mac Donald look like zombies haha ! It is also under this kind of promise - making you superior - that they recruit members.

I have myself received some training of NLP at engineering school. One example given was: how as a manager you can make someone him feel guilty and fire him. Sorry this is not the kind of philosophy I want to endorse.



Quote from Gordon Gekko:

all this talk of NLP at least makes me want to know what the hell it really is. jack hershey and "scientist" frequently mention it.

someone who knows this stuff, give an example showing exactly what it is, please.

anyone who knows me at all knows i'm not big on BS. i'm not claiming NLP is or is not BS. for the "NLP" bashers, i don't really know much about it, but it's probably just a term for something humans already do regularly anyway. maybe NLP is just a way to consciously make changes that do sometimes happen anyway.

for example, you may already have discipline for some aspects of your life without really thinking about it, but if you read a book about discipline, you may learn how to improve your discipline even more. maybe reading about "NLP" is just a way to improve your mind CONSCIOUSLY in a way that you already do, but more effectively.

i don't know if this is NLP or not, but i've said before that really believing you will do something is extremely important. when i posted that in another thread, some ass replied to me saying that he doesn't need to read a book for that stuff--WELL I DIDN'T EITHER! my point was, maybe by reading about how your mind works and how we think can make you more effective at making mental changes than you already are.

anyway, someone explain NLP.
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I've done that profile as part of a 2 year long coaching program with one of Tony's coaches. I found it enlightening and scary accurate. I have been told by someone familiar with these tests that the one Tony uses is very similar (if not indeed the same one) to the Minnesota Multi-phasic Inventory. The Get the Edge Program is a bargain, because a personality profile like this can cost upwards of a couple hundred bucks. What I found most useful was the fact the test didn't just reflect what I was like, it directed me in specific ways directly toward improving weak areas or bringing my attention to areas that I've been ignoring. Hope this helps. If you decide to take the test, IMHO spend a few bucks on a trial coaching call. A professional (trained by Tony and staff) will walk you through the results and explain what everything means and how best to use the info. They are thorough and effective at what they do.

Bundle
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BundleMaker,thats an informative Post.It Sounds well worth the money.
 
While TR may be able to help people become better target shooters it is not like he is the living embodiment of all that he preaches. In fact I would have to call him one very large hypocrite. (His office was in my building and I knew someone who worked for him). Example he changed his girlfriends name to Sage. What was he doing with a Girlfriend should he have been keeping his marriage together with his personal power techniques.

So realize he may be able to help you change your life but he probably has your problems and your money.

by the way I am sure that NLP probably does embody some truths. After all some people do extraordinary things and I would like to know how they did it. I just am a bit envious of all the money TR has made through cutting edge marketing. Envious may be the wrong word but I do not feel like typing any more.
 
For the rest of your life remember that every good thing you learn from someone, was taught by an imperfect human. No exceptions!

Chris

BTW, if TR does have a girlfriend (pure speculation at this point) while being married, then that is truly sad IMO!

I have studied and I am a firm believer in the mentalities of General Patton, and he once made a very true statement, "Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men"
 
I did not mean to imply tr had a girlfriend while he was married. I was alluding to the fact that while he had those tapes out and informercials about the power to make your relationships great he was in the middle of having a bad relationship with his wife. And then when he had a girlfriend he changed her name to Sage. Such utter b.s. was my point.

also while we know we must learn from imperfect individuals, when someone is selling us something, you like to see them put it into practice themselves. While a bad golfer could be a good swing coach I prefer to see the instructor work on his own swing, especially now that we have video tape. By the way I stopped charging to train traders when I was no longer pulling down a ton of money. So at least I try not to be a hypocrite.


Finally, I do not subscribe to the not be able to judge other people concept. I may not know what god will do but I can attempt to walk a mile in their shoes. So I think that one could judge others by the standards they profess. So if you are preaching about how to have good relationships you should have one yourself.
Which is why I was totaly put off by William Bennet preaching about morals and being a big gambler himself. I believe good people can play poker, they just should not set themselves up as morals teachers.
 
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