What happens when there are too many guns in America

[Tsing Tao]

No doubt we need to stop the flow of guns to Chicago and everywhere else in America.

The problem is of course reporting of total raw numbers of large cities is not an honest reflection of the reality. For example, Riviera Beach FL is actually more dangerous than Chicago in terms of homicide rate. You also are not reflecting on the rapid rise in crime in Tampa Fl.

But I will restate the purpose of this thread is to highlight with the increase in guns the probability of unexpected gun violence and incidents increases.

As someone who lives in Tampa and has spent lots and lots of time in Chicago and the NYC area, I can tell you there is in no way any possible comparison between Tampa and Chicago.. None whatsoever. You can play with statistics any possible way you want to try to make that case, but when two homicides by firearm can slant the numbers so dramatically in a place with far lower population versus a city that - only in the month of May - had 59 people killed, and you try to draw a comparison its just disingenuous.

Now, I totally agree with you - we need to stop the flow of guns to Chicago. How?

 

[Tony Stark]

No doubt there are to many guns in Chicago.They are at the mercy of federal and state republican gun laws

 

[gwb-trading]

No doubt we need to stop the flow of guns to Chicago and everywhere else in America.

The problem is of course reporting of total raw numbers of large cities is not an honest reflection of the reality. For example, Riviera Beach FL is actually more dangerous than Chicago in terms of homicide rate. You also are not reflecting on the rapid rise in crime in Tampa Fl.

But I will restate the purpose of this thread is to highlight with the increase in guns the probability of unexpected gun violence and incidents increases.

Chicago's problems with violent crime are much bigger than just guns. It is due to a revolving door justice system which puts violent criminals immediately back on the streets without bail or very low bail -- even when caught with a gun. Similarly any imposed sentences ("lax charging" by the DA) -- even for gun crimes -- are negligible.

How a revolving door bond system puts violent criminals back on Chicago's streets
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-bond-witness-murder-20170504-story.html

Close the revolving door for high-risk offenders in Cook County
https://wirepoints.org/close-the-revolving-door-for-high-risk-offenders-in-cook-county-wirepoints/

Cook County poised to end cash bail Sunday despite downstate judge’s ruling
Reform will move ahead as planned in Chicago and its immediate suburbs.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politi...inois-unconstitutional-kankakee-judge-opinion

Ex-Chicago police union chief blasts 'revolving door' bail policies
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chica...r-policies-lack-of-support-for-chicago-police

‘It’s Beyond Frustrating,’ Top Cop Says After Man Out on Bail for Gun Offense Charged in Fatal Shooting
https://news.wttw.com/2020/09/14/top-cop-david-brown-weekend-violence

Suburban Chicago police chiefs back bill to 'override' Kim Foxx's lax charging decisions
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-override-kim-foxx

Suburban mayor says Cook County’s cash bond system is too lenient on suspects
https://wgntv.com/news/suburban-mayor-says-cook-countys-cash-bond-system-is-too-lenient-on-suspects/

 

[Tsing Tao]

No doubt there are to many guns in Chicago.They are at the mercy of federal and state republican gun laws



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Again, how do you solve it?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Chicago's problems with violent crime are much bigger than just guns. It is due to a revolving door justice system which puts violent criminals immediately back on the streets without bail or very low bail -- even when caught with a gun. Similarly any imposed sentences -- even for gun crimes -- are negligible.

How a revolving door bond system puts violent criminals back on Chicago's streets
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-bond-witness-murder-20170504-story.html

Close the revolving door for high-risk offenders in Cook County
https://wirepoints.org/close-the-revolving-door-for-high-risk-offenders-in-cook-county-wirepoints/

Cook County poised to end cash bail Sunday despite downstate judge’s ruling
Reform will move ahead as planned in Chicago and its immediate suburbs.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politi...inois-unconstitutional-kankakee-judge-opinion

Ex-Chicago police union chief blasts 'revolving door' bail policies
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chica...r-policies-lack-of-support-for-chicago-police

‘It’s Beyond Frustrating,’ Top Cop Says After Man Out on Bail for Gun Offense Charged in Fatal Shooting
https://news.wttw.com/2020/09/14/top-cop-david-brown-weekend-violence

Precisely. Its not just a "ban guns" argument. It's far more complicated.

 

[Nine_Ender]

No doubt we need to stop the flow of guns to Chicago and everywhere else in America.

The problem is of course reporting of total raw numbers of large cities is not an honest reflection of the reality. For example, Riviera Beach FL is actually more dangerous than Chicago in terms of homicide rate. You also are not reflecting on the rapid rise in crime in Tampa Fl.

But I will restate the purpose of this thread is to highlight with the increase in guns the probability of unexpected gun violence and incidents increases.

"Tsing Tao" struggles with statistics especially when they don't support whatever nutty theory he's preaching. He continually posted crap about Covid throughout the pandemic even posting charts he clearly didn't understand. I can walk 90% of my city at night without a weapon and have no real worries about my safety. He needs several weapons and thinks he's safer.

 

[Tsing Tao]

"Tsing Tao" struggles with statistics especially when they don't support whatever nutty theory he's preaching. He continually posted crap about Covid throughout the pandemic even posting charts he clearly didn't understand. I can walk 90% of my city at night without a weapon and have no real worries about my safety. He needs several weapons and thinks he's safer.

Still following me around like a puppy dog, I see. Yipping and yapping at my heels in order to get noticed.

 

[gwb-trading]

The immediate fix for Chicago's violent gun crime is very straight-forward -- and it involves two points:

• No bond for those arrested for gun crimes if they are in possession of a gun when they are arrested (assuming that the gun is not legally permitted & carried -- which a huge majority of them are not in Chicago).
• Minimum 10 year sentence of those convicted of a crime involving a gun.

 

[Tony Stark]

Again, how do you solve it?

I lean toward criminal prosecution, civil financial responsibility and a ban of gun ownership for the legal gun owner the illegal gun came from. If a person puts a gun into circulation they should have to take responsibility if that gun ends up in criminal hands.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I lean toward criminal prosecution, civil financial responsibility and a ban of gun ownership for the legal gun owner the illegal gun came from. If a person puts a gun into circulation they should have to take responsibility if that gun ends up in criminal hands.

I can get behind much of that - not so sure about the criminal prosecution side, but certainly some civil responsibility, including liability for damages.

But there's just too much money in it, and you're still going to have guns moving around. The guy who loses his firearm because he has poor security on it isn't causing all those deaths in Chicago. Going after him needs to happen because a firearm owner needs to be responsible for his firearm, period. But don't be surprised when deaths in Chicago continue unabated, no matter what the "news" articles say. Additionally, it doesn't address all the guns already out there.