What formal education does one need?

Screen time.

Sit your ass down in front of the screen for two years.

Then proceed to minimal size trading to work on psychology then add cars as you see consistent profitability, when the consistency fades, drop down a car size.

Anek
 
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Screen time.

Sit your ass down in front of the screen for two years.

Then proceed to minimal size trading to work on psychology then add cars as you see consistent profitability, when the consistency fades, drop down a car size.

Anek

That sounds fine. But vague.

Which instrument & market ?

Which trading platform?

Where can I learn to develop a strategy tailored to my own temperament?

Its tought to admit, and as much as I have already dedicated time to the markets, I have no clue about any the answers to any of the above questions.
 
Chugani,

Try paper swing trading futures, particularly ES (SP500)or NQ(Nasdaq).

More info at CME.com

Buy the swing trading book by Farley

Buy the chartong book by Duddella

Buy Trading in the Zone by Douglas

...and the screen time I spoke of.

Anek
 
Quote from c.chugani:
...What is it one can learn when you get a job at an investment bank - say as a 'market analyst' or something of that sort? Are those jobs overrated when it comes to trading?

...Its an incredible paradox - how easy it seems and yet how difficult it really is to trade [profitably].
If trading were easy, everybody would be doing it.

Jobs as an institutional trader are extremely competitive, and the working conditions and culture of greed are deplorable. The only benefit is the potential to make a bundle of money and retire early. You can do that and still not know how to trade for yourself.

Trading for yourself has a lot of parallels with farming in the old days. It was a feast or famine existance, and you didn't have anybody to rely on, or answer to, but yourself. The outcome often depended on factors out of your control (i.e. the weather). This way of making a living has unfortunately fallen into disfavor.
 
Take up kung fu or some martial arts. Learn discipline and how to destroy cinderblock with head.

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I would like to know,

my dream one day is to become a full-time professional trader. Even if it means struggling and not making big big bucks - I just love studying the markets and the general lifestyle/workday of a typical trader.

The problem is, I am currently finishing my degree in Marketing. I DO NOT come from a educational background based on Finance. Is it a requisite to be a finance savvy in order to succeed in this type of business?

What kind of training / education does one formally need to become a trader? Would an intern at a reputable investment bank help me learn the basics? Where can I look for resources regarding which online brokers to use, which software platforms to learn, etc. etc? I eventually want to engage in proprietary trading for my own account.

And please, I do not need recommendations as to workshops, 3-day-become-rich-quick programmes or any of that other salesman stuff.

I would really appreciate constructive advice and strong guidance on how to embark on this tough career.

Thanks in advance.
 
Quote from Anekdoten:

Absolutely no formal education.

The things you need come over time and not from textbooks.

I've been teaching my daughter the basics and she's quite young, still in puberty, so far no real hurdles although i don't think she has the maturity for it, yet.

Anek
Anek, There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that she will do well, she has an excellent mentor and in my opinion a wonderful father... I wish you and your family health, happiness and prosperity...
 
Quote from nutmeg:

Going into Wall Street.

I am frequently asked about the best background for the investment business. To start with, I am quite sure what it isn't : majoring in economics and then entering Wall Street.

That is exactly what a fellow I know did. He got a two year degree in Economics, then got a job on the floor of the CME running orders.

He now runs a Hedge Fund in Chicago, he didn't do investment banking, but he does quite well for himself.

There are so many options when getting started with trading, wall street, etc. Explore them all, and find what works best for you. Imo there isn't one exact 'right' way to do it.
 
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Buy Trading in the Zone by Douglas


Anek [/B]

I highly second that. One of the most valuable books I have read. I have read it several times and get something new from it each time.
 
Literacy and numeracy are all you really need. Not even that if you plan to become a floor trader :P

Other useful skills: logic, epistemology, statistics, economics.

If you plan on going to work for a trading/investment/finance company first (the most common route, and probably easiest to eventually turn into trading success), then it's more important to go to a top university and have strong extra-curricular activities on your CV than exactly which degree you do. Although some kind of quantitative degree e.g. maths/physics, or one in finance/economics, will probably give you an edge over other applicants, and obscure arts degrees will count against you.

But playing the CV/interview game is entirely different to succeeding at trading. 95% of Goldman employees who went to its prop desk ended up blowing out, and they had top educations just to be able to step in the door. Trading success (pure directional trading) has almost nothing to do with normal measures of educational achievement. It's more about a certain mentality and personality, along with high intelligence - those things can't easily be learned or taught.
 
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