What does the new society organizing pattern for the world look like?

Quote from Renegen:

What about the American Revolution? What about the Chinese Revolution? It's simply ignorant to say that revolutions lead to someone like Stalin taking power. Yes, there is a power vacuum, but a revolution is a turning point. The country can go up, or down. And revolutions happen because people want the turning point, eg. they want things to get better.

If your view won out, the USA would still be a british colony with an 80% tax rate.
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The Chinese revolution produced Mao Tse Tung who murdered about 50 million Chinese people in the Red Guard nonsense - I was there in Hong Kong at the time. Most unpleasant I can assure you.
The American rebellion was about money ( taxation ) to fight the French in North America. Would be talking french now if the Brits hadn't saved your arses .
 
Quote from Humpy:

The Chinese revolution produced Mao Tse Tung who murdered about 50 million Chinese people in the Red Guard nonsense - I was there in Hong Kong at the time. Most unpleasant I can assure you.
The American rebellion was about money ( taxation ) to fight the French in North America. Would be talking french now if the Brits hadn't saved your arses .
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well, that's not the way they teach it in school here.

First of all, we don't call it a rebellion, we call it a revolution. You might have beat us if the French didn't help us out.

We still speak French in Lousiana, we didn't fight them for it, we simply bought it.

So how come you don't speak German?
 
Quote from oldtime:

well, that's not the way they teach it in school here.

First of all, we don't call it a rebellion, we call it a revolution. You might have beat us if the French didn't help us out.

We still speak French in Lousiana, we didn't fight them for it, we simply bought it.

So how come you don't speak German?
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You are in my view welcome to be independent. We have enough trouble as it is with our own corrupt/useless politicians, who have been bought by yours ( Iraq war/Cold war/Korean war etc.).

Do yours submit expense account claims too ? If they do I would expect you have a lot of fraudulent claims too, but I digress.
Just to bring you up to speed on your history, we won the 2 world wars, OK your guys joined the fray late as usual and helped a bit. :)

You lot might try swotting up on your Mandarin, you may find it comes in useful. Seemed to have lost your independent way a bit on the business front. Just saved GM tho.

Just been watching the reality TV show Pawn Stars, set in Vegas. HAHA quite amusing.
 
Quote from StarDust9182:

These are strange times indeed in my view. I am interested in your thoughts on what will arise out of the ashes (assuming something different does arise.)

Someone once said "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury...

Capitalism seems to deliver a lot of good things..

..socialism and capitalism were identical except for who the small group of planners were - government or wealthy capitalists.

Religion (or what ever kind of spirituality one chooses) seems to be on the way out unfortunately and the rampant increasing corruption and moral decline is a sign to me that we are fast approaching a major change in worldviews. (This can happen suddenly or over centuries I think.) There is some hope in that charity often appears when people become very wealthy. When you can't take it with you, why not leave a legacy?

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Since one of the few things that separate us from animals is the ability to co-operate to achieve more as a group than separately, there must be a better way to co-operate for the good of us all. But what is that way? How do we divy up goods and ensure a fair "payment" whether in goods, labor, services or something else. I thought some on this site might be able to help out.

Thanks for your thoughts.
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Good points, Mr Star..
Except capitalism & socialism are not @ all alike-unless someone can not discern between business & gov. Also check the constitution, wer'e a rep Republic, not a democracy[mob rule].

J im ''quantum fund''Rogers has a birthday on Oct 19,1987. My grandad has a birthday on Nov 2;
my birthday is on Nov 2- nice new tea trend/friend.Happy birthday US.lol.

I agree that religion is on the way out;
but redemption is increasing. And its a good thing US is not an average country, 200 years is simply an average.:D
 
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Apologies to everyone. I am cruising the Mediterranean Sea for 10 days. I will posts reply when I get back from vacation.

Thanks for the nice comments.
 
"Also check the constitution, wer'e a rep Republic, not a democracy[mob rule]."

I had to research the difference between republic and democracy ( http://thisnation.com/question/011.html and http://lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html) however I learned something. Hopefully you don't dispute that the US is a democratic republic (at least on paper. I would have some trouble arguing that the representatives actually always represent the people's wishes and not their own and their friends at times.)

Vietnam and Macedonia are proud to be Socialist Republics. Therefore I think that "republic or not" is not really germane to my original question and intent.

Two points come to mind though - since the original framing of the constitution, things have speeded up greatly. Should the four year turnaround be advanced to something like monthly or even weekly perhaps to keep up with the speed of change? (smile). Also, how does one ensure that the representatives actually follow the majority wishes? I am not clear as to how that was implemented in the original constitution or intents.


"Except capitalism & socialism are not @ all alike-unless someone can not discern between business & gov."

Woodrow Wilson wrote this => http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=2208 He says that they are almost if not quite one and the same and is a difference of organization and policy. (Warning - the essay is tough to read.) An easier read is http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-capitalism-and-socialism.htm

I believe that the two organizing principles are very similar but mainly differ in who actually makes the decisions for the country. In one those with the most capital control and run the government (a small group) and in the other a small group of central planners make the decisions. In both, rarely do "the people" actually get some input and change. Neither group is subject to the control of the people (although many fantasies abound on both sides).

Do the corporate leaders care more about their own salaries or adding shareholder value? Does the government bureaucracy care more about giving service or keeping their own jobs? Not much difference here either I suspect.

We will have to agree to disagree on this point I guess.

My question is still, how do we organize resources to distribute to "the people" and ensure a fair and efficient distribution? I think both socialism and capitalism have fatal flaws.
 
Quote from StarDust9182:

[I think both socialism and capitalism have fatal flaws. [/B]
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wooohoooooooooooooooooo

Give the man a coconut

The G7/G20 seem to be thrashing around in a turmoil

Can they solve the world's economic crisis ?

doesn't look even hopeful to me.

There are going to be HARD lessons learnt - the hard way imho

but don't worry - the Buffetts, Gates etc. won't be affected too much
 
Quote from Humpy:

wooohoooooooooooooooooo

Give the man a coconut

The G7/G20 seem to be thrashing around in a turmoil

Can they solve the world's economic crisis ?

doesn't look even hopeful to me.

There are going to be HARD lessons learnt - the hard way imho

but don't worry - the Buffetts, Gates etc. won't be affected too much

It's going to be the same ole Joe Dopes who loses his house etc.
And as Bender might say - let him kiss my metal ass.
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