What are your beliefs?

[peilthetraveler]

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I would simply point out the absurdity of the Bible's claims of Genesis. "If Adam and Eve were the first people, then why does it mention Cain met his wife in a town, in such and such chapter?" Bam! Solid proof that the Bible was full of shit.

So much for that solid proof. Did you really think you could "Debunk" the bible so easily?

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=696

 

[Hoofhearted]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

So much for that solid proof. Did you really think you could "Debunk" the bible so easily?

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=696

Sure I did. I was young and cocky- not to mention being more uninformed than I am today, which isn't really saying much.

 

[Hoofhearted]

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Quote from Hoofhearted:



Also, I would like to ask again, because I think it's important to the discussion, and because you have not answered: What age were you when you became a person who is independent and able to both live and die without help from at least one other?
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That question is not to me but really no one person never need help from another person.

Are you trying say that no one person should ever need help from another person?

If so, how do you account for being fed as an infant?

 

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Quote from Redneck:



Life is not fair

Yep Life is not fair.

 

[Hoofhearted]

Quote from Redneck:

Danm Luc’s correct – you are a buzz kill

I’m over it and on to other things now


RN

I would like to remind you that you came here to a thread titled, 'What are your beliefs?'.

You gave a generic statement proclaiming that you are able to exist independent of a higher power, or even other human beings.

I then kindly expressed to you that I wished to further our dialog for educational purposes, and you said "ok".

Your words and actions gave me the impression that you may have come here seeking some stimulating conversation, and I was happy to oblige.

So my next logical step was to simply ask you to disclose a few details to help substantiate why you were able to confidently proclaim what seemed to be an unreasonable level of independence on your part.

I must say for you to state that I have ruined some sort of buzz you had going on was a tad uncalled for, and I meant not to crash your party.

You could have simply stated you weren't comfortable talking about your personal experiences here, and I would respect that.

All the same, thank you for your input.

 

[MarketMasher]

Does it really matter what someone believes (other than to him/herself, of course)?


Besides, there is usually a large gulf between what someone believes and how he behaves.

I have seen firebrand thumpers who say they believe in Jesus, but are just using it for the money, or to feel superior as if it bequeathed them some kind of moral authority. Their actions though, were pretty far from the teachings as far as I could tell.....

So maybe the more relevant question would be - How do you behave? - and the answer would be right before your eyes.....

 

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Quote from MarketMasher:

Does it really matter what someone believes (other than to him/herself, of course)?


Besides, there is usually a large gulf between what someone believes and how he behaves.

I have seen firebrand thumpers who say they believe in Jesus, but are just using it for the money, or to feel superior as if it bequeathed them some kind of moral authority. Their actions though, were pretty far from the teachings as far as I could tell.....

So maybe the more relevant question would be - How do you behave? - and the answer would be right before your eyes.....

well said.

 

[Hoofhearted]

Quote from MarketMasher:

Does it really matter what someone believes (other than to him/herself, of course)?

This is a question I can't answer for you. But if the answer is no, does anything we say matter?

I would like to think there is some benefit that could come from hearing others' views, as well as expressing our own beliefs.

If nothing else we learn something about one another, and perhaps ourselves, too.

If it matters not, then it shouldn't hurt for you to tell us what you may believe or not believe

Besides, there is usually a large gulf between what someone believes and how he behaves.

I kindly disagree. This would create a paradoxical problem which cannot be solved, so long as we abide by the terms you have specified above.

By behaving in a way that contradicts our beliefs is to ignore those beliefs. When we ignore our beliefs, then we essentially have no beliefs.

I have seen firebrand thumpers who say they believe in Jesus, but are just using it for the money, or to feel superior as if it bequeathed them some kind of moral authority. Their actions though, were pretty far from the teachings as far as I could tell.....

I agree that there are inevitably many who prey upon others' beliefs in order to gain financially, and I think it does suck.

However you would have to have some pretty irrefutable proof for you to state that you have witnessed such a travesty. Please feel free to share your stories, or any opposing views you may have here.

So maybe the more relevant question would be - How do you behave? - and the answer would be right before your eyes.....

A fair question indeed...but if what you say is true -that "there is usually a large gulf between what someone believes and how he behaves.", then the answer would be anything but obvious.

 

[Redneck]

Quote from Hoofhearted:

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You evidently do not comprehend well – love circular arguments – take liberties where none is merited – and evidently like NLP

All in an effort to promote your agenda no doubt


Now you may even attempt to interpret the above sentences as an attack – don’t waste your time – simply observations


So allow me to break it down for ya
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I posted;

Don’t ask me to support you… I won’t ask you to support me


Initially you posted;

Can you truthfully say now what you will or won't ask for in your deepest moment of despair

Then you posted;

You gave a generic statement proclaiming that you are able to exist independent of a higher power, or even other human beings.


First you assumed I was referring to emotional support – doesn't pay to assume

Then you morphed from emotional support to complete existence –hellofa leap on your part – and in no way warranted

Be that as it may

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You posted;

If you are asking me what is on my mind, I am simply trying open a conversation where people can ask and answer questions pertaining to our beliefs, non-beliefs, or even false beliefs, as I believe may be the case with yours.

Please try not to take offense to that, as I believe a continued dialog could prove to be educational

Then you posted;

I then kindly expressed to you that I wished to further our dialog for educational purposes, and you said "ok".

Again you misinterpreted, and morphed

As you see my beliefs as false – I don’t see benefit in furthering this discussion in an effort to educate anyone

My saying ok – was not agreement – it was responding “whatever” (meaning I see no value in doing so/ continuing on)

As for me taking offense – hardly

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You posted;

So my next logical step was to simply ask you to disclose a few details to help substantiate why you were able to confidently proclaim what seemed to be an unreasonable level of independence on your part.

Interesting you express a desire I disclose a few details about that which you find false

Again you are requesting I convince you – a request I see no value in obliging

Agreed, my independence is unreasonable – from your limited point of view

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You posted;

I must say for you to state that I have ruined some sort of buzz you had going on was a tad uncalled for, and I meant not to crash your party.

If I thought it uncalled for – then I would not have posted it... but since I did – you may assume it was

Levity apparently escapes you

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You could have simply stated you weren't comfortable talking about your personal experiences here, and I would respect that.

If I thought it uncomfortable to discuss my personal experiences – I would have stated such – again misinterpretation on your part

Unnecessary is useless… not uncomfortable

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You will not be judged by anyone reading your views

Interesting opening commentary – given your responses of late

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This thread of yours is about religious beliefs

I posted a few of my political/ financial/ accountability beliefs

Obviously these are mutually exclusive


If you’d prefer I included a ditty on my religious beliefs – you should have simply stated so

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Final thought;

As for knowing when you've reached your deepest moment of despair – to be sure you’ll know

And it’ll be at that point you’ll find out exactly what you’re made of

May you like what you find - or not

RN

 

[MarketMasher]

Quote from Hoofhearted:

This is a question I can't answer for you. But if the answer is no, does anything we say matter?

I would like to think there is some benefit that could come from hearing others' views, as well as expressing our own beliefs.

If nothing else we learn something about one another, and perhaps ourselves, too.

If it matters not, then it shouldn't hurt for you to tell us what you may believe or not believe




I kindly disagree. This would create a paradoxical problem which cannot be solved, so long as we abide by the terms you have specified above.

By behaving in a way that contradicts our beliefs is to ignore those beliefs. When we ignore our beliefs, then we essentially have no beliefs.



I agree that there are inevitably many who prey upon others' beliefs in order to gain financially, and I think it does suck.

However you would have to have some pretty irrefutable proof for you to state that you have witnessed such a travesty. Please feel free to share your stories, or any opposing views you may have here.



A fair question indeed...but if what you say is true -that "there is usually a large gulf between what someone believes and how he behaves.", then the answer would be anything but obvious.

Well, I believe that one's beliefs only matter to oneself. What you hear as stated beliefs are actually OPINIONS.

People do not ignore their beliefs - but often their behavior is in contradiction to those stated beliefs. To say otherwise is to believe people cannot be self-delusional.

"Don’t say things. What you are stands over you the while, and thunders so that I cannot hear what you say to the contrary. A lady of my acquaintance said, “I don’t care so much for what they say as I do for what makes them say it.” - R. W. Emerson