WH forced to walk back Biden remarks, says he won't back handgun sale ban

Bugenhagen said:
As Tackleberry is in the thread its getting silly quick.

Right so as we know and you agree, though he flubbed it with the speech impediment and getting old, what he meant was immediately clear to anyone with medic training. A blown out lung is the common term for pneumothorax which is a word somebody with a stutter will probably avoid.

How do you feel about people who have guns not having basic medic training to understand and deal with gunshot trauma?
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Training every gun owner with basic medic training would be problematic, although I do think it is essential for those who carry a gun as part of their profession. Everyone could benefit from some basic first aid/basic medical training, and I highly recommend it. It just might save a loved one or even a stranger. I once helped a guy out with the Heimlich who was choking on a piece of steak. Have applied some simple stop the bleeding techniques while working all those years in industrial construction. People get hurt and we should be able to help at some basic level. Last guy I saw shot was a head shot, dead before he hit the ground all those many years ago across the pond. One of the few good things to come out of that miserable experience was seeing some horrific shit and learning to maintain some element of composure.
I think we can agree that gun ownership should require considerably more training that it currently does, and I'll leave it at that.
 
CaptainObvious said:
Training every gun owner with basic medic training would be problematic, although I do think it is essential for those who carry a gun as part of their profession. Everyone could benefit from some basic first aid/basic medical training, and I highly recommend it. It just might save a loved one or even a stranger. I once helped a guy out with the Heimlich who was choking on a piece of steak. Have applied some simple stop the bleeding techniques while working all those years in industrial construction. People get hurt and we should be able to help at some basic level. Last guy I saw shot was a head shot, dead before he hit the ground all those many years ago across the pond. One of the few good things to come out of that miserable experience was seeing some horrific shit and learning to maintain some element of composure.
I think we can agree that gun ownership should require considerably more training that it currently does, and I'll leave it at that.
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Well we can totally agree on rights AND responsibility. I feel that simply because it seems impractical to give everyone who wants a serious gun serious training does not mean this can be sidestepped.

In Colombia the only people you can legally buy a handgun from are the military, after you get a permit, no gun shops so no big business in creating a demand for a product in the minds of people. Removing the commercialization may help the US.

You can however legally buy a "traumatic" pistol which most everybody agrees is plenty to discourage a robbery and little risk to bystanders.

Possibly a. 22 should be regarded as training wheels before a medium caliber 9mm and that's likely what Biden was trying to communicate.
 
There's so much ignorance when it comes to guns.

I have a beautiful sig 226 9mm which is a great handgun, used by Navy SEALs.

https://www.sigsauer.com/firearms/pistols/p226.html

I get great accuracy eg 6in shot group, but it has less stopping power than my Glock22 .40cal.

Which has less stopping power than my 12ga Remington tactical pump shotgun.

Only an idiot would use a .22 or .38 for self defense.

And one should never use a long gun or combat AR15 for home defense, because rifle rounds can go through walls into neighboring houses.

Anyways, people should learn their weapons, house clearing, field of fire etc.
 
""Hey, let's rush him, he only has a .22" said nobody, ever" is something a scout sniper who designed his own ammo said once. Oh wait, that was me, just now.

No "home-defence bla bla bla stopping power" is a poster that should be up on good gunshop walls like the No Stairway! ones in music shops.

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Tony Stark said:
Gotta keep in mind that most people who carry a 9mm carry a compact or subcompact 9mm.The shorter barrel makes the same 9mm bullet slower coming out of a compact or subcompact slower than the same bullet coming out of a full size 226 making it less powerful.
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But BARELY less powerful. The muzzle energy is only a modicum less, which can be supplanted with a +P load.

But I was always a .45ACP fan, so the wussy la-la 9mm fans can suck my subsonic boomage. :)
 
A .22 is about the most accurate handgun there is to get a tight grouping even for a big lump like me.

Of course I'm forgetting the common scenario where a giant burglar on PCP is in your house.

In case of fantasy, always go with the Gyrojet* as it's rocket bullets are natural tracers which could be useful in the night.

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*I have seen one that was pulled out of an elderly elephant killed in the 90s and probably shot with it in the early 70s.
 
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Bugenhagen said:
A .22 is about the most accurate handgun there is to get a tight grouping even for a big lump like me.

Of course I'm forgetting the common scenario where a giant burglar on PCP is in your house.

In case of fantasy, always go with the Gyrojet* as it's rocket bullets are natural tracers which could be useful in the night.

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*I have seen one that was pulled out of an elderly elephant killed in the 90s and probably shot with it in the early 70s.
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There's a big difference between a .22 and a .223, which is what some of these mass shooters use. The size is practically identical, but the bullet behind it and the load are vasty different.

Fuck it, Bugen, just go .500 magnum. I had the S&W .500 at one point, awesome piece. 6" barrel. I was not afraid. ;-)
 
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