Well Well Well So Were Do We Go From Here

The very fact that you are even born, is proof that there is money around, that there is a market. Without money and a market your parents never would have been born, or would have starved to death at a young age before they could birth you.

Again, you are exaggerating and writing fiction. The typical american household has some money, their kids go to public school, they own 2 cars and many a home. They have money, which is why they eat.

My friends family are immigrants. The father came here with $10 bucks in 1955 and is now rich. He had NO MONEY, but he had sweat equity and he did something with it.

The americans here before him had huge advantages and he passed them by with hard work.

Its a big world with lots of opportunities, go out and get it. This picture you paint where people are stuck in one place, at one factory, with no transportation and no options, is purely a myth.

Millions of mexicans hiked across the border into the USA thru treacherous desert. Where was their transportation? Oh yeah, they walked.

In the US, anyone can scap up enough money to catch a train to another state. This is a fantasy world you are painting.




Quote from hels02:

I had to go do something, so didn't finish.

The point is, while in many places, it's very possible to do that, start a small business, you have to have money. You have to have a market, you have to have transportation to get your product/service to the market, you have to be able to advertise, you have to be able to produce it, either thru information or raw materials, all of which cost something. Where are you going to get that money, when you are the factory worker and not the owner of the company?
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your question reminds me of what the folks say in the developing world face. the poverty of india, subsaharan africa, etc...

i agree w/ the sentimetns of the poster above--a dystopic view such as the one posed in your question removes the ability to discuss. now that town where the guy makes .1 for a $1 widget, lives under a dictator, communism, etc, he sadly cannot get out the mix. that is why there is such a huge gap between S & N korea.

a nation if it wants to succeed will not pose restrains on increasing productivity by its citizens. I'm making a generalization here: ask most canadians (expect the funny ones in Quebec), they will complain and bitch about America, but give them a visa...they're gonna come here ASAP.

--RS
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Well I don't know what Canadians you talk to, but I am talking to one now, my friend/mentor ( he is from Ontario BTW as our a number of my relatives), and they sit there and go WTF.? How did you let your country turn it to this? Let me say I love America, but if it becomes even more of a bankrupt police state than I will be applying for dual citizenship based on a family member whom is originally from Canada. Ironically, this person left in late 60's for the US, so I guess some agree with your viewpoint.

There are pros and cons to both the American and Canadian health care system. 1-2 months for a specialists is exaggerated from first hand accounts I have received. They do prioritize patients though. America has good health care if you can afford it. Paying $800 a month for a husband and wife only in their late 30's ( with no major medical issues) is exorbitant, plain and simple. That's with a co-pay BTW.

America is hands down the best for an entrepreneur, if you are working class or poor you are getting screwed, plain and simple.
 
Quote from robertstone:

I'm making a generalization here: ask most canadians (expect the funny ones in Quebec), they will complain and bitch about America, but give them a visa...they're gonna come here ASAP.

--RS
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You're dillusional.
 
Perhaps I write too much too fast, and you can't read that fast Traderdragon. Read it again please.

I wanted to know what would happen to YOU if you developed cancer tomorrow and could no longer work. YOU. What happens when you can't pay your health insurance premiums, and your disability isn't enough? Have you given this any thought?

Stop toeing an ideological line and get with reality here.
 
We have several Canadian friends who come here every year on vacation. They have ample opportunity to move here... would they? Absolutely not.

Most Canadians have it a hella lot better than we do for quality of life and the rat race. You have to be joking that they're all dying to come here.

There's reverse migration of Americans to nearly every nation on earth going on right now. Americans are moving to China, India, Canada, Europe, trying to apply for citizenship and get jobs.

There's only ONE nation of people desperate to come here and they are Mexicans, because there are plentiful jobs picking produce and working construction. With few exceptions, jobs Americans don't want to do, because the pay is too low and the work too hard.

I watched a show a few weeks ago about the piteable state of american farmers whose entire crop this year rotted on the fields, because they had no pickers. Americans won't pick produce for pennies a lb in the hot sun and insects, but they could not hire mexicans this year due to stronger patrols at the border. So... they will try to hang on another year and then be forced into foreclosure.

The same is likely happening with butchers and meat packing plants (this am not sure about, have not seen reports on this). We have huge cattle processors in Texas, do we have enough Americans working them to get the tons of beef processed now? I don't know, but I believe they too employ a lot of cheap mexican labor, because the work is hard and very very gross.

THEN, we get to buy all our food from South America! There goes another core US industry.

Canadians want to come here? Why? I think the opposite. If we keep going at this rate, Canada will have to build a wall to keep US out.
 
LOL build a wall. It will be like the wall to keep palestine out of israel :p

And our border guards do not even carry guns. It's true, people are trying to change it. If someone blows through the border they have to sit back and call the cops.

So you can easily come up here we cannot stop you :D

Myself, I have decided not to even visit the US now. Nothing personal, but as you have seen a visiting Canadian can be held without cause or trial and then exported to Syria for torture.

Now, my skin is 'white' but I still do not want the risk. And if you cross the border and your name appears or is similar to some sort of 'do not travel' list...god help you at minimmum a strip search, or worse like begin held for many days/months until the mess is sorted out. No rights at all, no right to a trial, just a black CIA hole. Frankly I'd have more rights if I visited Iran.

And if someone slipped drugs into my car wheelwell or something, if found I would be sent away for near life no questions asked.

Too much risk to visit a military regime. I'm serious but nothing personal against ordinary citizens.
 
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Already happening dumbass...

The nasdaq regained more than half intraday loss in 8 min time interval
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you stupid piece of shit, you god damn dumb little aborted baby

you idiot, check the time when I wrote
"red morning, green afternoon"

it was more than 12 hr before market opening

and I made money shorting and later buying at open

YOU CAN LIVE 200 YEARS and still not reach my level of intelligence you aborted baby
 
Oh, speaking of insurance, OUR insurance costs $1600 a MONTH for a very healthy family of 4. WITH copay and deductibles.

Have we managed to spend $19,200 for medical costs in any single year in our entire lives? Nope.

Over 10 years, we will pay (pretending it never goes up) $192,000. Terrible right?

But if ONE of us gets cancer, the average cost of cancer treatment is around $2 million. If one of us gets cancer in the next 10 years, we made out, we will spend more than we paid in Insurance.

BUT! Gee... the cap is $2 million per person!

Soo... for our $192,000 over 10 years, if one of us gets cancer, and it costs $5 million dollars to treat... $3 million of our cost is uninsured.

And we are far from poor. Our home is over 3000 sf in a very developed high dollar area, and we live on a golf course, we own a fast boat, and we drive expensive new SUVs, nuff said.

ONE of us getting cancer could concievably break us financially, right now.

It wouldn't break any of you right cuz you're all in the top 1% of Americans who make more than 2 million a year? Some news, if you're in the low end of that, it can break you too.

If you are richer than we are, then you can say you don't want national health care, if you are not, then you're just plain stupid.
 
I would be screwed, such is life, it is not fair. No one has a "right" to healthcare. Life is tough and can be cruel, and I dont expect other people to become my slaves and work to pay my medical bills if things go really wrong for me. The government was never meant to be a nanny and the founding fathers would scoff at a national healthcare system.

I could also make a moral argument that having the government spend a hundres of thousands of dollars to save my life when it could save thousands of lives elsewhere is a problem.

REALITY: No one owes me shit and if life throws me curve ball that wipes me out, thats life. Im not going to drain my fellow citizens pocketbook and lay claim to his his/her work and sweat without their permission by using the government as a tool.


MORE REALITY: List the top 10 healthcare systems in the world by quality, and lets see how many of them are private versus socialized, and then lets look at the tax rates in the country for each system.




Quote from hels02:

Perhaps I write too much too fast, and you can't read that fast Traderdragon. Read it again please.

I wanted to know what would happen to YOU if you developed cancer tomorrow and could no longer work. YOU. What happens when you can't pay your health insurance premiums, and your disability isn't enough? Have you given this any thought?

Stop toeing an ideological line and get with reality here.
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