Couldn't agree more. Each day congress DOES NOT make another constraining law the better. Fuckin' personal responsibility.
Give me good streets, infrastructure and a strong military for my tax dollars then fuck off!
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Well Well Well So Were Do We Go From Here
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Couldn't agree more. Each day congress DOES NOT make another constraining law the better. Fuckin' personal responsibility.
Give me good streets, infrastructure and a strong military for my tax dollars then fuck off!
Quote from traderdragon2:
REALITY: No one owes me shit and if life throws me curve ball that wipes me out, thats life. Im not going to drain my fellow citizens pocketbook and lay claim to his his/her work and sweat without their permission by using the government as a tool.
s according to you disbled should be killed, as a lot of instrstructure is built for them for tax money
all retired also must be killed, including you when you reach 65, as we pay to much for medicare
What you guys didn't read or get is, Health Care is NOT that expensive. It's expensive because your money is getting spent on the Insurance middleman, and those who don't/can't afford to pay their bills.
That's why the bottom line never works out. It's cheaper to us as a nation, for productivity purposes, to cut out that middle man, because we save money.
We don't have national health care now? We do. What happens when you get in a car accident, and you don't have insurance? You go to the hospital anyway, and they save your miserable life.
You didn't have the money, so you don't pay the bill. It happens every day. Someone pays for that. Everyone pays for that. Noone gets a free ride. It comes from your taxes, it comes from your increased cost for care, it comes from the premiums to your insurance.
This matters very much to you... unless you're one of the lamers who think you deserve a free ride, and will get one by leaving your doctor/hospital bills unpaid, forcing everyone else's health care costs to balloon... one of the very people you were pretending to scorn? Hrm. Interesting.
That's why the bottom line never works out. It's cheaper to us as a nation, for productivity purposes, to cut out that middle man, because we save money.
We don't have national health care now? We do. What happens when you get in a car accident, and you don't have insurance? You go to the hospital anyway, and they save your miserable life.
You didn't have the money, so you don't pay the bill. It happens every day. Someone pays for that. Everyone pays for that. Noone gets a free ride. It comes from your taxes, it comes from your increased cost for care, it comes from the premiums to your insurance.
This matters very much to you... unless you're one of the lamers who think you deserve a free ride, and will get one by leaving your doctor/hospital bills unpaid, forcing everyone else's health care costs to balloon... one of the very people you were pretending to scorn? Hrm. Interesting.
Quote from kashirin:
s according to you disbled should be killed, as a lot of instrstructure is built for them for tax money
all retired also must be killed, including you when you reach 65, as we pay to much for medicare
I don't think you get it. Retirees paid into the system. Disabled are covered. Agreed there are those who need a hand because they have none. There are also many charitable orgs I give to who help far more than the government. Yes charities.....
Jeeesh, like talking to 3 year-olds.
Wow, youre really great at stuffing complete nonsense in other peoples mouths.
I said no such thing, youre the only person here who mentioned killing disabled and retired.
I said no such thing, youre the only person here who mentioned killing disabled and retired.
Quote from kashirin:
s according to you disbled should be killed, as a lot of instrstructure is built for them for tax money
all retired also must be killed, including you when you reach 65, as we pay to much for medicare
Kashirin.........
Pretty much a typical "what's in it for me" mentality soaked in a "compassionate" bath through years of in-breeding, public liberal schools, main stream media, and a desire to feel loved. Can't believe you really are in a capitalist market such as trading. Looking for something for nothing?
Pretty much a typical "what's in it for me" mentality soaked in a "compassionate" bath through years of in-breeding, public liberal schools, main stream media, and a desire to feel loved. Can't believe you really are in a capitalist market such as trading. Looking for something for nothing?
Paying $800 a month for a husband and wife only in their late 30's ( with no major medical issues) is exorbitant, plain and simple. That's with a co-pay BTW.
You are being lied to or ripped off.
Even in california , for someone in their late 30's you can get:
$0 deductable, 30% coinsurance = $100 month.
$0 deductable, 100% coverage, $194/month.
$1500 deductable, 100% coverage = $111/month
whooopie. I can see a doc immediately for emergencies, and can book a visit in just a few days.
No one year wait for hip surgery here, like in canada.
My health insurance is great.
Hey what have ya'll done with my thread? It has turned into a raging political debate. TIME OUT!!!!!
I didn't mean to start a fight, but the subject pisses me off, and I tend to go on about it.
The FACT is, we DO have national health care... but it's not full coverage.
If an average middle class family had a father who gets cancer, needs a kidney or liver or heart, they WILL go broke trying to pay for it.
If they want Medicaid, which pays for EVERY SINGLE PENNY of the best care available, they will have to give up every asset they own. If they own their little middle class home, they will have to sell it so he can qualify.
If they don't? He can't pay, but has assets? Your family now has debt. They can't take your family home I believe, but they can take EVERYTHING else to pay that debt, including bank accounts, all stock accounts, cars, etc. In the meantime, he's got no income, he's in the hospital. Who pays for food and the utility bills to keep the lights on?
To keep him alive, the entire family has to be broken. And this is a man who has insurance. If he doesn't, the debt piles up faster. How is he going to get back on his feet? How will his children go to college?
Yet... if a homeless man stumbles in the hospital, he will get the best care. If a welfare mom goes to the hospital, she can get a private room and the best doctor, paid for courtesy of Medicaid (how do I know this? I had a housekeeper years ago, who delivered her baby in the room next to mine, courtesy of Medicaid. Private room, best doctor, the works). My bill was $25,000, and out of pocket I paid $7,000. She paid 0.
Wake up. You are paying, you are paying out the nose, you will pay as you get older, and if you are NOT poor or VERY rich, your family will sooner or later have a castastrophe. THEN what?
You say that it's tough luck, that's the breaks. Do you realize it's NOT tough luck? If you are broke, you get FULL CARE RIGHT NOW.
It's only if you are NOT on medicaid that you will probably DIE, leaving your family destitute. Why are WORKING families the ones who must pay, but the rich (who can afford it) and the poor (because YOU pay for it) do not?
We are damned close to rich, and I think this is WRONG. Even if WE could survive this, why should someone who works their whole life at a Walmart lose everything they worked for their entire life, while a crack addict gets full care?
What is wrong with this picture?
The FACT is, we DO have national health care... but it's not full coverage.
If an average middle class family had a father who gets cancer, needs a kidney or liver or heart, they WILL go broke trying to pay for it.
If they want Medicaid, which pays for EVERY SINGLE PENNY of the best care available, they will have to give up every asset they own. If they own their little middle class home, they will have to sell it so he can qualify.
If they don't? He can't pay, but has assets? Your family now has debt. They can't take your family home I believe, but they can take EVERYTHING else to pay that debt, including bank accounts, all stock accounts, cars, etc. In the meantime, he's got no income, he's in the hospital. Who pays for food and the utility bills to keep the lights on?
To keep him alive, the entire family has to be broken. And this is a man who has insurance. If he doesn't, the debt piles up faster. How is he going to get back on his feet? How will his children go to college?
Yet... if a homeless man stumbles in the hospital, he will get the best care. If a welfare mom goes to the hospital, she can get a private room and the best doctor, paid for courtesy of Medicaid (how do I know this? I had a housekeeper years ago, who delivered her baby in the room next to mine, courtesy of Medicaid. Private room, best doctor, the works). My bill was $25,000, and out of pocket I paid $7,000. She paid 0.
Wake up. You are paying, you are paying out the nose, you will pay as you get older, and if you are NOT poor or VERY rich, your family will sooner or later have a castastrophe. THEN what?
You say that it's tough luck, that's the breaks. Do you realize it's NOT tough luck? If you are broke, you get FULL CARE RIGHT NOW.
It's only if you are NOT on medicaid that you will probably DIE, leaving your family destitute. Why are WORKING families the ones who must pay, but the rich (who can afford it) and the poor (because YOU pay for it) do not?
We are damned close to rich, and I think this is WRONG. Even if WE could survive this, why should someone who works their whole life at a Walmart lose everything they worked for their entire life, while a crack addict gets full care?
What is wrong with this picture?
Quote from traderdragon2:
You are being lied to or ripped off.
Even in california , for someone in their late 30's you can get:
$0 deductable, 30% coinsurance = $100 month.
$0 deductable, 100% coverage, $194/month.
$1500 deductable, 100% coverage = $111/month
whooopie. I can see a doc immediately for emergencies, and can book a visit in just a few days.
No one year wait for hip surgery here, like in canada.
My health insurance is great.
You must be very young with no intention of every having a wife and children.
This means you are no risk to the insurance companies, so you get low rates.
But guess what? You're going to get old like the rest of us. And may your beliefs not come back to haunt you or your own family and aging parents someday.