Well Well Well So Were Do We Go From Here

Quote from traderdragon2:

This guy had to wait ONE FULL YEAR for his hip replacement surgery in canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/
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The article states that 80% of Canadians are satisfied with their health care. It also states that the supreme court there allowed for a private sector as well -- which was apparently illegal before.

I doubt 80% of Americans are satisfied with their health care right now. I know I'm not.
 
my healthcare sucks... I pay too much co insurance, and have to wait 1 to 2 months for a specialist doctor appointment..

wtf is that all about??


and I live in USA
 
Quote from EqtTrdr:

my healthcare sucks... I pay too much co insurance, and have to wait 1 to 2 months for a specialist doctor appointment..

wtf is that all about??


and I live in USA
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your not alone, costs have skyrocketed yet nothing is being done....45 million americans without coverage....
 
"Well guess what, once upon a time, there was no factory. How did IT get started?? Hmmmm???? "

It was 'old money' that was brought in from someone who inherited the wealth.

Let me ask you something, do you own your own small company? If so, where'd you get the money from?
 
Typical spoiled american :) You dont know the meaning of sucks, until you have to live with some other countries socialized healthcare.

1-2 months for a specialist? How does a year sound for a crap doc?

At least you get specialists, haha.


Quote from EqtTrdr:

my healthcare sucks... I pay too much co insurance, and have to wait 1 to 2 months for a specialist doctor appointment..

wtf is that all about??


and I live in USA
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Quote from hels02:

RS, I am quite familiar with Adam Smith. I also used to be quite a fan of Ayn Rand and her seminal, but boring as hell book, 'Atlas Shrugged'. And it's all very logical. I am not a socialist or a communist, nor do I advocate either. They don't work, you cannot expect everyone to work equally hard and earn equal treatment or rewards, at the risk of stymieing innovation.

There's a flip side to this however. So rather than put it to you as a statement, how about you let me know what you think of this scenario.

You live in a town that has only 1 factory and place of employment. You have never left this town, and have no means of traveling elsewhere to find work. From everything you have read and heard, it's even worse elsewhere. This factory employs everyone who's employed in town, and in order to live you have to work there. There are no regulations for employment, the factory can pay whatever it likes.

You make widgets all day long. Your widgets sell for $1, but you are paid $.10. You don't have a choice, and if you don't work there, there is no where else for you to go because you cannot save enough to leave.

However, what you earn for widgets does not earn you enough to pay for medical care, food and housing, let alone clothes or transportation.

You cannot make widgets on your own, neither you nor the other factory workers can afford the machinery to make the widgets, and as no one has any savings who works there, you are at the mercy of the factory owner, who every year makes increasing profits because your widgets make him a lot of money.

What would you do?
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your question reminds me of what the folks say in the developing world face. the poverty of india, subsaharan africa, etc...

i agree w/ the sentimetns of the poster above--a dystopic view such as the one posed in your question removes the ability to discuss. now that town where the guy makes .1 for a $1 widget, lives under a dictator, communism, etc, he sadly cannot get out the mix. that is why there is such a huge gap between S & N korea.

a nation if it wants to succeed will not pose restrains on increasing productivity by its citizens. I'm making a generalization here: ask most canadians (expect the funny ones in Quebec), they will complain and bitch about America, but give them a visa...they're gonna come here ASAP.

--RS
 
There is no point in playing the "I can make up whatever fictional scenario I want" game.

I can simply respond with my own fictional reply.

"It wasnt old money, the guy started doing service work istead of working at the factory. He would barter and trade material goods. He got so good at trading, he traded himself up to a big house and had enough money to start a business of his own that now competes with the factory and is crushing it. Luring away employees for better pay. :) "



Quote from hels02:

"Well guess what, once upon a time, there was no factory. How did IT get started?? Hmmmm???? "

It was 'old money' that was brought in from someone who inherited the wealth.

Let me ask you something, do you own your own small company? If so, where'd you get the money from?
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I had to go do something, so didn't finish.

The point is, while in many places, it's very possible to do that, start a small business, you have to have money. You have to have a market, you have to have transportation to get your product/service to the market, you have to be able to advertise, you have to be able to produce it, either thru information or raw materials, all of which cost something. Where are you going to get that money, when you are the factory worker and not the owner of the company?

There are many many people who are uninsured in this country. There are many many people in small towns all over the US who are in that boat with the one factory.

YOU and I pay for this by impoverishing them and forcing them to obtain medicaid by forcing them to give up the meager property they have when they have ONE catastrophic medical emergency, and then we have to pay for their medicaid, food stamps, welfare and housing. Gee. Why not let them keep their homes, give them the health care, and when they get back on their feet, become productive members of society again?

What will happen to YOU if you develop cancer or an organ failure tomorrow? Do you have millions to pay for the medical care? Can you keep paying your COBRA when you can no longer work and your company no longer pays your salary?

In the long run, nationalized health care empowers all of us by cutting out the Insurance middleman making MOST of the profits (you pay for health insurance, your doctor pays for malpractice insurance, what does health care REALLY cost?).

While it's not technically capitalism, even a corporate executive knows that if his workers have no health care and can't work, who's going to make him his money? Thus the corporations provide health insurance... it's funny you should say 'start your own business', because there goes your health insurance.

Would I rather see national health care, making workers healthier, or would I rather see our economy drained by uninsured people 1 paycheck from disaster, where a bump in the economy means a national crisis? Why not fix it now?

You know, John Kerry's platform last election was to take away the tax cut for the top 1% (over 2 million a year income), which comprised 44% of the total tax cut dollars from Bush's budget cut, JUST to provide health insurance for the uninsured and children. The top 1% for the most part wouldn't object, they don't notice that average $143,000 a year less taxes. The uninsured would sure notice.

But we voted for Bush last time. Tax DRAIN into the war that never ends.

I'm still a Republican at heart, but only a really stupid person would not look at the profit/loss in the scenerio.
 
Sam says market will advance 5 more percent in next two months. Grid lock is good and this is a great time to invest.


Hummm this is what I figured from wall street.
 
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