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[stu]

And your big bang THEORY is a fact?

Did you look up the definition of "theory"? No point to argue with a dictionary denier. Lol.

Not sure what you seem confused about here, it's clear enough. Both big bang and gravity are theories.

I believe in one God. My kids are not my god, neither is my wife nor my parents, nor money.

Then you are mostly a non-believer as there are very many thousands of Gods throughout history you clearly don't believe in.
Peeps don't believe in your one God for the same reasons you don't believe in all those thousands of others.

 

[M.W.]

And your point? I am not trying to sell my God. Nor am I buying your thousand gods story. You seem confused.

I am a believer in one God. So I can't by definition be a non-believer. And either I am a non-believer or a believer, one can't be mostly a believer or non-believer. And what are those thousand gods you are speaking of? Has a single of your thousand gods sacrificed his son for you?

Not sure what you seem confused about here, it's clear enough. Both big bang and gravity are theories.



Then you are mostly a non-believer as there are very many thousands of Gods throughout history you clearly don't believe in.
Peeps don't believe in your one God for the same reasons you don't believe in all those thousands of others.

 

[stu]

And your point? I am not trying to sell my God. Nor am I buying your thousand gods story. You seem confused.

I am a believer in one God. So I can't by definition be a non-believer. And either I am a non-believer or a believer, one can't be mostly a believer or non-believer. And what are those thousand gods you are speaking of? Has a single of your thousand gods sacrificed his son for you?

I'm directly addressing your questions while all you seem to be doing now is dancing around them and getting more defensive.

You told me to go look in a dictionary for the meaning of THEORY (your emphasis) yet you don't even seem to understand why big bang and gravity are both THEORIES, while religious beliefs have non of those attributes, which means your initial comparison is a complete red herring of false equivalence. That's all I was explaining.

There have been many thousands of Gods since human kind began, now if you don't know that much then your turn to go look that fact up.

By your own admission you are a disbeliever in all those Gods, therefore by definition you are a disbeliever in those religions and their deities.
You disbelieve in all Gods except your own. In that regard you are a disbeliever but then on the other hand, also a believer, who believes in just their own one God.

Believing in one thing at the same time and not other things of the same ilk means they are not mutually exclusive of each other. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp except you seem not to want to say you're a non-believer in all other Gods except your own.

The very notion of vicarious redemption by killing your own child especially, is abhorrent to any sane person. That an imaginary God is supposed to have done that is in no way an excuse for harboring such ideas worse still as sacred.

Your God is said to have sacrificed his son Fri thro Mon (though absurdly according to Christian dogma, the son is supposed to be the God anyway, so really it was suicide) so just for the weekend then.

Happy Easter!

 

[studentofthemarkets]

I'm directly addressing your questions while all you seem to be doing now is dancing around them and getting more defensive.

You told me to go look in a dictionary for the meaning of THEORY (your emphasis) yet you don't even seem to understand why big bang and gravity are both THEORIES, while religious beliefs have non of those attributes, which means your initial comparison is a complete red herring of false equivalence. That's all I was explaining.

There have been many thousands of Gods since human kind began, now if you don't know that much then your turn to go look that fact up.

By your own admission you are a disbeliever in all those Gods, therefore by definition you are a disbeliever in those religions and their deities.
You disbelieve in all Gods except your own. In that regard you are a disbeliever but then on the other hand, also a believer, who believes in just their own one God.

Believing in one thing at the same time and not other things of the same ilk means they are not mutually exclusive of each other. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp except you seem not to want to say you're a non-believer in all other Gods except your own.

The very notion of vicarious redemption by killing your own child especially, is abhorrent to any sane person. That an imaginary God is supposed to have done that is in no way an excuse for harboring such ideas worse still as sacred.

Your God is said to have sacrificed his son Fri thro Mon (though absurdly according to Christian dogma, the son is supposed to be the God anyway, so really it was suicide) so just for the weekend then.

Happy Easter!

Le Conte thus states what will become clear to anyone who tries to present evidence to Darwinists. The theory of gravity is a “contingent” truth: we believe it only as long as the evidence supports it. The theory of evolution is a “necessary” truth. It is not contingent on supporting evidence. It should be noted that since there is no chance of finding a “natural” explanation for the beginning of time, Le Conte’s axiom also requires us to reject the Big Bang theory before looking at the evidence.

https://evolutionnews.org/2018/04/why-evolution-is-more-certain-than-gravity/​

 

[M.W.]

You conveniently omitted that He also raised him within the same time span. But yes, I agree with you, it's humanly very difficult to understand how someone can sacrifice His own child for the wrongdoings of others. It just displays how resolutely antithetical God is to sin. Nothing other than Himself can atone for sin.

To your argument on theories, if you in the remotest acknowledge the presence of a completely unexplained phenomenon which is that matter existed and velocity existed before the existence itself of anything, which you must believe if you lend the slightest credence to the big bang theory, then you can hardly reject the possibility of unexplained miracles or the possibility of the existence of a creator God.

I'm directly addressing your questions while all you seem to be doing now is dancing around them and getting more defensive.

You told me to go look in a dictionary for the meaning of THEORY (your emphasis) yet you don't even seem to understand why big bang and gravity are both THEORIES, while religious beliefs have non of those attributes, which means your initial comparison is a complete red herring of false equivalence. That's all I was explaining.

There have been many thousands of Gods since human kind began, now if you don't know that much then your turn to go look that fact up.

By your own admission you are a disbeliever in all those Gods, therefore by definition you are a disbeliever in those religions and their deities.
You disbelieve in all Gods except your own. In that regard you are a disbeliever but then on the other hand, also a believer, who believes in just their own one God.

Believing in one thing at the same time and not other things of the same ilk means they are not mutually exclusive of each other. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp except you seem not to want to say you're a non-believer in all other Gods except your own.

The very notion of vicarious redemption by killing your own child especially, is abhorrent to any sane person. That an imaginary God is supposed to have done that is in no way an excuse for harboring such ideas worse still as sacred.

Your God is said to have sacrificed his son Fri thro Mon (though absurdly according to Christian dogma, the son is supposed to be the God anyway, so really it was suicide) so just for the weekend then.

Happy Easter!

 

[stu]

Le Conte thus states what will become clear to anyone who tries to present evidence to Darwinists. The theory of gravity is a “contingent” truth: we believe it only as long as the evidence supports it. The theory of evolution is a “necessary” truth. It is not contingent on supporting evidence. It should be noted that since there is no chance of finding a “natural” explanation for the beginning of time, Le Conte’s axiom also requires us to reject the Big Bang theory before looking at the evidence.

https://evolutionnews.org/2018/04/why-evolution-is-more-certain-than-gravity/​

Well, that nonsense is most definately contingent upon pure bullshit.
Gravity and evolution are of course both contingent upon oberservable, measurable and predictable real world circumstances in order for them to become THEORIES for christ sakes.

In any event, I don't think you'll make your God idea any the more more credible by suggesting it is as incredible as some other thing.

 

[stu]

You conveniently omitted that He also raised him within the same time span.

Right so Bible God didn't really sacrifice his only son, just pretended to over a weekend.

It just displays how resolutely antithetical God is to sin.

Really? The story of parent committing filicide is antithetical to sin? How exactly?

This God commits what is unquestionably to anyone who with half an ounce of decency can see a particularly horrendous sin, but it's ok to condone such a thing and make absurd irrational excuses for it 'cause it's God, a with a capital H!?
Does capitalizing the pronoun 'he' somehow make it all sound ok to you ?

Why you'd even want to try an attempt to justify such an horrific idea is what's so weird.
But then I suppose it's just one dark side of the human psyche as it gets expressed through religious beliefs.

To your argument on theories, if you in the remotest acknowledge the presence of a completely unexplained phenomenon which is that matter existed and velocity existed before the existence itself of anything

I don't believe anything of the kind.

Anyway, despite all that nasty bs you've clearly been brainwashed into, I'm sure at heart like studentofthemarkets, you're really quite a decent kinda guy and as Jesus invented chocolate, I can at least give an Easter Praise Be! to that.

 

[M.W.]

Yes it makes it ok because it is God. If you ever worked in the field of science it should not be difficult for you to come to terms with the fact how little we humans actually know and understand and logically comprehend. Just because something appears absurd or incomprehensible to you does not mean anything.

At least you admit you don't understand. Neither does anyone fully understand God.

The only nasty one here seems to be you, who constantly denigrates, belittles and disrespects. If you are so against the Christian faith and those who believe why argue or interact with us? I certainly have nothing against you nor have harmed you or your family in any way. Given this fact, you appear extremely hostile to me. I wonder why that is. A lot of stowed up anger inside you, that is for sure.

Right so Bible God didn't really sacrifice his only son, just pretended to over a weekend.



Really? The story of parent committing filicide is antithetical to sin? How exactly?

This God commits what is unquestionably to anyone who with half an ounce of decency can see a particularly horrendous sin, but it's ok to condone such a thing and make absurd irrational excuses for it 'cause it's God, a with a capital H!?
Does capitalizing the pronoun 'he' somehow make it all sound ok to you ?

Why you'd even want to try an attempt to justify such an horrific idea is what's so weird.
But then I suppose it's just one dark side of the human man psyche as it gets expressed through religious beliefs.



I don't believe anything of the kind.

Anyway, despite all that nasty bs you've clearly been brainwashed into, I'm sure at heart like studentofthemarkets, you're really quite a decent kinda guy and as Jesus invented chocolate, I can at least give an Easter Praise Be! to that.

 

[stu]

Yes it makes it ok because it is God.

Good people think good things while religion teaches good people to think bad things.

it should not be difficult for you to come to terms with the fact how little we humans actually know and understand and logically comprehend.

It really isn't all that difficult either to come to terms with the fact that we humans also do know and understand and logically comprehend quite a lot also. You really shouldn't discount that fact when considering the other.

Just because something appears absurd or incomprehensible to you does not mean anything.

Contrary to what you say, it certainly does mean something.
It means something is appearing as absurd or incomprehensible. That is reason to question and explore, not blindly accept or bizarrely, worship something.

At least you admit you don't understand. Neither does anyone fully understand God.

I understand enough to know how imaginary concepts like God can make otherwise good people think bad things.

The only nasty one here seems to be you, who constantly denigrates, belittles and disrespects. If you are so against the Christian faith and those who believe why argue or interact with us? I certainly have nothing against you nor have harmed you or your family in any way. Given this fact, you appear extremely hostile to me. I wonder why that is. A lot of stowed up anger inside you, that is for sure.

There ya go. The true Christian spirit. Call me nasty, make it personal, the old 'your're either with us or you're against us' thing.

I interact because this is a forum for the exchange of ideas in a Religion and Sprirituality thread. What's your excuse?

Why would you think that merely countering absurd, incomprehensible notions about a not fully understandable God as you put it, is being hostile?

Touchy much?

 

[M.W.]

The following, and I quote, is not belittling, denigrating, and disrespecting?

"Anyway, despiteall that nasty bs you've clearly been brainwashed into,"

How would you feel on the anniversary on which you remember someone's sacrifice you very much care about, and I start to joke about chocolate and bunnies, irrelevant stuff, both stuff pagans have introduced and which has nothing whatsoever to do with the original meaning of Easter? How would that make you feel? Respected? Let's say your wife had a fatal accident and I walk by and say "hey smile, after all your wife did a service to the world and disappeared, one less to destroy the environment". You would not think how inappropriate, disrespectful, and weird I am?

It's ok you have different opinions and beliefs but why do you have to put down the others for their belief in a God that you clearly cannot disprove? What has this God done to you or I done to you?

Good people think good things while religion teaches good people to think bad things.


It really isn't all that difficult either to come to terms with the fact that we humans also do know and understand and logically comprehend quite a lot also. You really shouldn't discount that fact when considering the other.


Contrary to what you say, it certainly does mean something.
It means something is appearing as absurd or incomprehensible. That is reason to question and explore, not blindly accept or bizarrely, worship something.


I understand enough to know how imaginary concepts like God can make otherwise good people think bad things.


There ya go. The true Christian spirit. Call me nasty, make it personal, the old 'your're either with us or you're against us' thing.

I interact because this is a forum for the exchange of ideas in a Religion and Sprirituality thread. What's your excuse?

Why would you think that merely countering absurd, incomprehensible notions about a not fully understandable God as you put it, is being hostile?

Touchy much?