Video| Fine Tuning from the Top Scientists

[jem]

Quote from bigarrow:

What if god is gravity, no more no less.

Hawking pretty much covers this idea in his paper with hartle...


http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0602/0602091v2.pdf

which discusses the fine tuning of our universe and how it can be explained.
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In fact if one does adopt a bottom-up approach to cosmology, one is immediately led to an essentially classical framework, in which one loses all ability to explain cosmology’s central question - why our universe is the way it is. In particular a bottom-up approach to cosmology either requires one to postulate an initial state of the universe that is carefully fine-tuned [10] - as if prescribed by an outside agency or it requires one to invoke the notion of eternal inflation [11], which prevents one from predicting what a typical observer would see.

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but Hawking proposes a top down cosmology... which is takes some real thought to wrap your mind around... but...

in a mulitiverse populated by bubble universes with no boundry conditions... you could surmise that if you are alive in your universe... it is because in the previous history of your universe was part of the line of universes in which the force of gravity was dialed in just right.

So gravity shaped your universe... or gravity made your universe.

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:
you called me a liar...

Only because you are.
You even posted the link yourself which shows as much. You do that a lot. Post links that totally undermine what you are claiming. Amazing.

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:
It's the same with myself over the not giving a fuck and his claim of my "closed mindedness".

Yes, it is the same. You expressed both those things.

What is it with you two. Trying to form a synchronized lying team or something?

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:
So gravity shaped your universe... or gravity made your universe.

So what was all your fuss about really ?
Was it only that you wanted assert the idea that theoretical physics is the same kind of speculative as groundless assumptions for an unnatural 'creator/tuner'?

 

[jem]

This is what stu wrote... a page or you two ago.

Quote from stu:

.... It was you lying by insisting as you still do, I said "there was plenty of science saying showing life evolved from non life."

I said there is plenty of science showing how life can evolve from non life....

This was his quote in the past...
Notice how he changed his entire quote by inserting "how".

http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthrea...cience+showing+life+from+non+life#post3270666

I say this ....."There is plenty of science showing life from non life."

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

I say this ....."There is plenty of science showing life from non life."

Very good. You learned something....

you used to keep saying this.
"Every few weeks he tries to pretend there is proof of life coming from non life...

which of course was your lie.

 

[bigarrow]

The only evidence of life from none life is every living organism on earth. Other than that there isn't any evidence.

 

[jem]

you are full of shit...
you were caught lying and we saw it on this thread.
No one else is lying here. just the you.

Quote from stu:

Very good. You learned something....

you used to keep saying this.
"Every few weeks he tries to pretend there is proof of life coming from non life...

which of course was your lie.

 

[bigarrow]

The only evidence of the universe coming from nothing is our universe. Other than that there isn't any evidence.

 

[jem]

and to the best minds in science... that evidence looks incredibly tuned for life.

Quote from jem:

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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0602/0602091v2.pdf


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In fact if one does adopt a bottom-up approach to cosmology, one is immediately led to an essentially classical framework, in which one loses all ability to explain cosmology’s central question - why our universe is the way it is. In particular a bottom-up approach to cosmology either requires one to postulate an initial state of the universe that is carefully fine-tuned [10] - as if prescribed by an outside agency or it requires one to invoke the notion of eternal inflation [11], which prevents one from predicting what a typical observer would see.

 

[pspr]

Quote from bigarrow:

The only evidence of the universe coming from nothing is our universe. Other than that there isn't any evidence.

feeble arguments from a feeble mind.