V Bottom

Quote from stonedinvestor:

apex the market didn't sell off. The market had the same reaction it had when a jet plane loaded with people smashed into the heart of the financial district.
You want to equate a valuation step back to that?
We have to not brush this off as much as figure out exactly what happened.

You dont call that a sell off? You think it was a technical error? Com on .... The market is just some people sitting at their computer screens forming an opinion. The last bear market is a great example. What happened is that it hit the exact zone that I gave to you on a gold plate over 3 weeks ago calling for a 5-10% decline. The market was overbought, to many stops below the market... what goes up must come down. Stoney I thought you had learned your lesson once going against me before.... obviously not. Good luck...
 
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AND WHY is CNBC so worried about this drop....

One word: ratings. Who's going to watch those clowns in a bear market? Cramer will be gone since most of the dopes who follow his picks will have blown up their accounts already.
 
Quote from stonedinvestor:


When a market suddenly tanks like this, it creates a fabulous V-Bottom where the indexes start climbing higher making the shape of a V.

Since no one will say it I will. I think we have a better than 75% chance for an old school V Bottom. That's right ALL 400 points back By Friday. Impossible?
Let's see.

I guess you might still be alive if you have an 18 pt stop..... stoney listen to me next time...
 
<i>"That's right ALL 400 points back By Friday. Impossible?"</i>

Yes. Definitely. Much more probable to cough up another -400 by the weekend, instead.

Roll up some Durban Poison to settle the nerves a bit, <b>Stoned</b>... were about to see some old school volatility rattling around here for awhile. :)
 
Quote from stonedinvestor:

I was listening to the fast money guys yesterday and they all said market goes lower today to probe interday lows etc. I've heard many, many talking heads explain that this is the start of something big. HOWEVER

The put/call ratio is way too high. Closed at 1.7. I looked back all the way to 1996 and cant find one time it has ever been this high.

The put/call ratio is telling me that sentiment is super bearish...more bearish then in anytime since 1996. The put/call ratio is a great contrarian indicator.

When a market suddenly tanks like this, it creates a fabulous V-Bottom where the indexes start climbing higher making the shape of a V.

Since no one will say it I will. I think we have a better than 75% chance for an old school V Bottom. That's right ALL 400 points back By Friday. Impossible?
Let's see.

statistically there is some backup for your reversal call, but i think V bottoms typically mark an end of a downtrend, not at the top of an uptrend
 
The problem with your guys thinking is that EXTREME one day blow offs ALWAYS comes at bottoms not tops--
corrections are dribble drain affairs that give investors many chances to F* up and reinvest only to get sucked down again... anyone remember post 2000? So in fact what we were sitting on- little did we know- was not a top it was a trading range and a bottom. We established
a puke flush and some are betting we retest. I am on record for a V Bottom. That means don't look at the futures (by 10:30 we will be flat to up by 12:30 we will be up 60 points by 2:30 160 points- and I fear we may sell off in the last hour)
 
Quote from stonedinvestor:

The problem with your guys thinking is that EXTREME one day blow offs ALWAYS comes at bottoms not tops--
corrections are dribble drain affairs that give investors many chances to F* up and reinvest only to get sucked down again... anyone remember post 2000? So in fact what we were sitting on- little did we know- was not a top it was a trading range and a bottom. We established
a puke flush and some are betting we retest. I am on record for a V Bottom. That means don't look at the futures (by 10:30 we will be flat to up by 12:30 we will be up 60 points by 2:30 160 points- and I fear we may sell off in the last hour)

You keep changing your opinion... this that.. yes this is definately looking like a washout move. I am on the short side since 1459 and will stay that way. The V bottom is already negated... you are already wrong. V bottoms dont have a DB retest and drop 18 points.... they are vertical.
 
Quote from stonedinvestor:

The problem with your guys thinking is that EXTREME one day blow offs ALWAYS comes at bottoms not tops--
corrections are dribble drain affairs that give investors many chances to F* up and reinvest only to get sucked down again... anyone remember post 2000? So in fact what we were sitting on- little did we know- was not a top it was a trading range and a bottom. We established
a puke flush and some are betting we retest. I am on record for a V Bottom. That means don't look at the futures (by 10:30 we will be flat to up by 12:30 we will be up 60 points by 2:30 160 points- and I fear we may sell off in the last hour)

If you add an element of symmetry to your comparison, 2000 had a dribble down move after an explosive up move, while this seems like the start of an explosive down move after a dribble up move. Having said that, P/Es are way better now than 2000, and statistically, a bounce of 2-4% has more than 80% probability.

Good luck with your trade.
 
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