US's birth rate felt and dodo birds in bow ties thinks immigration is the solution

[longandshort]

That's all great to know but to me, descendants of immigrants shouldn't really be counted as immigrants because otherwise where do you draw the line? Nobody is really really 100% home grown native to the land in North America... they became great because of their own efforts and the education and the cultivation that they received in the United States of America. As

I don't get why you think that we cannot support our people and have immigrants at the same time lol. You are framing the argument as if immigrants are taking much-needed resources from people born here, but I have yet to see evidence of this. I would also argue that immigrants (people that take risk to leave their home) are more akin to early American settlers/explorers, and being structurally more open than other countries has allowed the US to maintain a more robust start-up/small business culture than others.

Immigration 101: Do Immigrants Pay Taxes? | America's Voice (americasvoice.org)
Immigrants in America: Key Charts and Facts | Pew Research Center

I recommend studying US (and world) history to develop a longer-term view. Otherwise, this thread is limited to being another stupid recurring trope, like the Know-Nothing Party in the 1800s who bitched about German and Irish immigrants.

 

[tsznecki]

Even if they weren't, the USA was already the world's preeminent economic and technological power prior to the recent flood - we were doing just fine without them. On the other hand, the huge costs of overpopulation, diversity, and endless social & political discord are permanent and will only worsen.

If your native population can't or won't spend, how else are you going to drive the consumption engine that powers America?

 

[JSOP]

I don't get why you think that we cannot support our people and have immigrants at the same time lol.

It's not a matter of capability; it's a matter of necessity. Immigration is just NOT necessary, for America today. It is not the solution and certainly not the only solution to resolve any so-called crisis in negative population growth. The same $$ we spent on immigration, we could've spent it on improving education on American-born citizens and developing robotics and we would've achieved the same or better results. We have to improve education and develop robotics and automation anyway regardless of whether we want immigration or not, now we just have more pressing reasons to do so, to curb the current drop in birth rates. So why not just concentrate on improving education and developing robotics and automation instead of taking away resources to spend on immigration as well? An expert in one is always superior to a jack of all trades.

I recommend studying US (and world) history to develop a longer-term view. Otherwise, this thread is limited to being another stupid recurring trope, like the Know-Nothing Party in the 1800s who bitched about German and Irish immigrants.

I am a trader and in trading, past performances is never an indication of future performances. It is true in trading and it certainly applies in social history in terms of immigration as well. So studying history is a fruitless exercise here. This thread is about whether immigration in general is a solution to curb negative population growth, it has nothing to do with any immigration groups in particular. It's unfortunate that you think otherwise.

 

[longandshort]

It's not a matter of capability; it's a matter of necessity. Immigration is just NOT necessary. It is not the solution and certainly not the only solution to resolve any so-called crisis in negative population growth.

This thread is about whether immigration in general is a solution to curb negative population growth, it has nothing to do with any immigration groups in particular.

How much money are we spending on immigration?

Immigration is natural and should be seen as a resource if your country is lucky enough to get it, as opposed to brain drain. It's a great way to deal with slowing population growth because the costs are low -- it's not like we are paying the average immigrant to travel here and settle.

 

[JSOP]

How much money are we spending on immigration?

Immigration is natural and should be seen as a resource if your country is lucky enough to get it, as opposed to brain drain. It's a great way to deal with slowing population growth because the costs are low -- it's not like we are paying the average immigrant to travel here and settle.

One cent spent on unnecessary endeavours is one cent too much. Immigration is unnecessary regardless of whether it's natural or not.

 

[JSOP]

Immigration is natural and should be seen as a resource if your country is lucky enough to get it, as opposed to brain drain. It's a great way to deal with slowing population growth because the costs are low -- it's not like we are paying the average immigrant to travel here and settle.

If you think it's an honour for USA to get this resource of immigration then we don't mind not getting it. We are more than happy to let other countries like China or India to get this resource. Both China and India are also experiencing drops in birth rates in recent years; they can have all the immigration they want. We will let other countries to be lucky this time. LOL We will be content to be unlucky like Japan and South Korea and Europe before the migrants crisis to thrive with no immigration.

 

[tsznecki]

@longandshort you are talking to a troll. A pretty shitty one at that. @JSOP = DiceAreCast = asiaprop = volpunter

Oh look, @JSOP is Canadian.



Now magically she is American.

 

[longandshort]

One cent spent on unnecessary endeavours is one cent too much. Immigration is unnecessary regardless of whether it's natural or not.

This doesn't make sense. We're not spending money on immigration, people are coming to the US out of their own volition. We want immigrants and prefer to have them, and would also like all of the talented and open-minded people from China and India (and everywhere else) settle here as it's a much better place and they will have a chance to apply their skills for good use.

 

[JSOP]

This doesn't make sense. We're not spending money on immigration, people are coming to the US out of their own volition. We want immigrants and prefer to have them, and would also like all of the talented and open-minded people from China and India (and everywhere else) settle here as it's a much better place and they will have a chance to apply their skills for good use.

When I mean spending, it's not just outlay cost, it includes soft cost, intangible cost and opportunity cost as well. And besides I don't know why you are insisting on cost as the reason. I already told you, immigration is NOT unnecessary. We don't want it!! We can achieve the same results without immigration. Unwanted immigration is invasion.

 

[longandshort]

Speak for yourself but I want immigration. Good luck with your nativism.