US on the socialist path.

Quote from Lucrum:

Before I waste a bunch of time typing (with two fingers) a lengthy post. Are you serious or do you just want to argue with someone more conservative than yourself?

No intention to argue.
 
Quote from JSSPMK:

Bring back National Service
Distiguish between people that can't & don't
Abolish the FED
Abolish cash
Abolish inheritance
Abolish religions as people should believe in each other rather than something non-factual & most likely non-existent
Abolish Auto-tune
Affordable healthcare for ALL citizens
Force the don'ts to work
Etc.

My shipment of milsurp .308 arrived this morning.

I thought about this post while I was schleping it all into an outbuilding. Not everyone in the USA is going to cooperate. We have a long tradition here of thumbing our noses at such ideas and we mean it.

Anyone trying to enact/enforce this stuff around here would quickly find that only thing that gets abolished is their ass.
 
Quote from 377OHMS:

My shipment of milsurp .308 arrived this morning.

Where did you get that anyway?
I haven't bought any 7.62 nato in years but I've read there's not much left.
 
Quote from JSSPMK:

No intention to argue.
Then what are you doing in the P&R forum? (J/K)

Obviously many if not all of these will never happen under any administration or current political party "rule" of course.

1)Reduce the senate to 50 senators - one per state

2)Reduce the house to 100 representatives - 1 to 3 per state depending on population.

3)Eliminate ALL special entitlements (retirement, health care...) for congress.

4) eliminate secret service protection for former presidents and families, if you can't handle the risk don't run for office.

5) Sell Air force One and replace it with a more economical corporate jet.

6) make military service compulsory, minimum two years in a branch of your choice immediately leaving HS. NO exceptions, I don't care who your daddy is.

7) end virtually ALL foreign aid and close most of our foreign military bases. We're protecting people who hate or disrespect us with money we cannot afford.

8) Jail time and or exorbitant fines for employers knowingly hiring illegal immigrants. They'll pack up and go home at their own expense.

9) Phase out SS, people should be responsible for their own retirement.

10) end the national endowment for the arts, close the dept.'s of education and energy just for starters.

11)end farm subsidies

12)stop payments to the UN

13) Leave Iraq completely and bring home most of the boys in Afghanistan. Leaving only a small contingent in a strategic location from which to operate from as needed.

14)end long term unemployment payments and add time limits on welfare of all kinds

15)expedite the death row appeals process. it shouldn't take a decade to execute a violent felon

16) I'd consider legalizing some drugs even if only because what we're doing now is not working and is very expensive

17) enact a revenue neutral simplified/flat/national sales tax of one kind or another, drastically reducing the size of the IRS in the process

18)no increases in welfare for "poor" mothers having more than one baby, if they didn't learn their lesson the first time they're too stupid to deserve more or they're obviously abusing the system.

19)balance the budget no matter who doesn't like it and no matter how much it hurts

20)start making payments on the principle of the national debt

21)voting rights only to those who pay taxes and can pass a simple civics test

22) raise the min age for a drivers license to 18

23) require anyone over the age of 70 to take an actual driving test every 5 years

24) change the constitution so that supreme court justices are elected for 12 year terms

25)Close down TSA



I could probably add much more if I took the time but I'm sure you get the jest of my ideas for improvement.
 
Quote from saxon22:

Price of chicken in Norway for 1 kg (around 2 pounds of it): 30 KO = $5. So the pound would be around 2.50 to 3 greebacks a pound. Last time I checked my Pathmark was charging around $2 per pound. Is the difference that much? It comes to 30% but it comes without all that nasty stuff our chicken are exposed to unless you go for organic which would cost you about the same as in Norway.

I much rather pay extra for some stuff and not pay to keep a bloated prison, police, and other security systems feeding on my tax dollar year after year.

BTW it is interesting to see that some poor slacker who downloaded and shared some songs using internet is being penalized over 1 million dollars for this crime and our system cannot do the same for the companies employing illegals. Ask yourself why the justice is so harsh on her and so lenient on the companies and you will see who really is running the US, who holds the power and who is really benefiting.

BTW next time you have an accident with somebody without papers and insurance who the same day is going to disappear on the other side of the border, ask your self if the 50cent reduction on your chicken is worth your life. Or perhaps the next time somebody stab your son after school and swings for the border, you will think twice about enjoying the benefits of cheap services and whether they are worth it.

Saxon, just to let you know i am in total agreement with all your well stated points above, especially paragraph two.

When I read the posts of folks on ET exclaiming how socialist the USA is becoming, i think how naive can one be. It's obvious that the country, for better or worse, is still firmly in control of capitalists, and corporate interests come before those of the individual, though we pretend it's the other way around. It's very telling that in the U.S. we fund medical care and schools with bake sales and our armed forces with tax dollars, and approve expenditure on weapon systems that even the Secretary of defense says are not needed. We persist even though the U.S. spends nearly as much on "defense" as all the other countries of the world combined! When is the last time you heard a politician suggest cutting the "defense" budget instead of social security, medicare, or education?
 
TY! A lot the things you mentioned make a lot of sense to me. But, as you mention in your 2nd paragraph the likelihood of those changes taking place are either remote or impossible. So why not simply press the government for a referendum on those matters? If both Dems & Reps are useless when it comes to making positive changes rather than the ones that increase electorate numbers, then why not try & form a true peoples' union that will press the government for a referendum? I know it may sound outrageous especially to the anti-unionists, but maybe on the case where government stops to really represent its people a union is the way to go?
 
Quote from JSSPMK:

TY! A lot the things you mentioned make a lot of sense to me. But, as you mention in your 2nd paragraph the likelihood of those changes taking place are either remote or impossible. So why not simply press the government for a referendum on those matters? ...
It's not totally impossible, although the constitutionality of a nation wide referendum might ( I don't know) be an issue.

I'd certainly join such a movement.

It's that, revolution (of some kind) or this country IS going the way of the Roman empire.
 
Quote from JSSPMK:

Bring back National Service
Distiguish between people that can't & don't
Abolish the FED
Abolish cash
Abolish inheritance
Abolish religions as people should believe in each other rather than something non-factual & most likely non-existent
Abolish Auto-tune
Affordable healthcare for ALL citizens
Force the don'ts to work
Etc.


Can we abolish voice mail and Indian customer service reps?
 
Quote from Lucrum:

Where did you get that anyway?
I haven't bought any 7.62 nato in years but I've read there's not much left.

I can send you a pm, I'm reluctant to be more specific than saying a nice couple living in the southeast.

The stuff is too expensive to shoot for recreation. I just keep an M1A because I'm very close to the San Andreas fault and people out here would start looting the first or second day if it was a serious quake. The bad guys here all have .223 and 7.62x39 so it made sense to go way heavier. I've heard an M-14 will really keep peoples heads down. I like the flat trajectory and incredible range. Its difficult to take shelter from .308 because it goes through cinderblocks etc. I just know I sleep a little better at night. :)

California has always been mexico-like and a little edgy. I felt perfectly safe in Chicago by comparison. It didn't feel like it could become Somalia overnight like it does here.
 
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