US on the socialist path.

Quote from slapshot:

You are such a rabid, ignorant left-wing moron. This is pure proof once again that anytime you want to know the facts about anything, just look to the exact opposite of what a liberal blame-pointer says and there lies the truth.

You bleeders are the master liars when it comes to failed social experiment/entitlement giveaways and then turn around and try to blame the other side for the horrible damage you have inflicted on this country after several decades of "progress".

It has been social policies stuffed into our system (at both State and Federal levels) almost entirely by Democrats that has led to the huge social net and citizenship rights for children of illegals born here.

I live in a border state with Mexico. It has ALWAYS been liberals that have blocked EVERY SINGLE conservative attempt to reign in immigration and socialist benefits for people who barely produce.

The so-called greedy Right would never give ultra-expensive free emergency-room care, education and tens of thousands of dollars per year in direct and indirect benefits to each illegal here. This has been a purely Democratic boondoggle.

Illegals are not high-producers, in fact they are the worst workers productivity-wise. They barely speak the language, only show up when they want to. Many are lazy or criminal. An employer has to hire extra spanish-speaking foremen that can manage them. There is a higher incidence of workplace theft and waste because they don't really care about the buisness nor do they really have any opportunity to advance. They are always the employee of last resort for any smart business.

If anything, Republicans would want to bus them in/out on a guest worker program as cheaply as possible. They certainly don't aspire to give them social programs and entitlements.

Where they have failed is allowing Dems to pack social pork into legislation, if anything they have sold out their principles to compromise with the left on this issue.

Right now you have Obama and some socialist left-winger Governors suing Arizona for trying to get immigration under control!

So why don't you accept the reality that it is the Democrats that want to expand their power and political base by pandering to the people of color in the US that have relatives affected by immigration reform?
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107692,00.html


Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns



The massive new immigration initiative unveiled by the White House has Democrats and ethnic identity organizations accusing Republicans of election-year pandering, and has the Republican base wondering whether George W. Bush and the Republican Party has sold them out.

The initiative, which draws heavily on legislation already introduced in Congress by three Arizona Republicans, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Flake and Rep. Jim Kolbe, has two central components. It would provide a mechanism by which some U.S. businesses would be able to import an unlimited number of low-wage foreign workers, and it would allow most of the roughly 10 million illegal aliens already in the United States a means by which they (and their extended families) would be able to remain legally -- and permanently -- in the United States.
 
Quote from pspr:

Every time the Democrats have power we move a little more into socialism. Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, ObamaCare, Housing Subsidies, Food Stamps, etc., etc. We are at the breaking point. Socialism is turning the U.S. into just another run of the mill country. When the U.S. can no longer afford to protect the world from tyrany the rest of the world will start falling to dictators and communists.
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(email comments "It Speaks For Itself", from Dr. Cordell O'Connor)



Subject: speaks for itself...





Now , after reading this, you will understand what extreme right-wing parties ( i.e. Tea Party (GOP)) are up to . Such as my previous e-mail re; "what the real question should be..."







After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get Mad?


You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate Energy policy and push us to invade Iraq.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 800 billion (and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden. You didn't get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget and current account deficits.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city... New Orleans... drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks.

You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades.

You didn't get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance.

You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values.

Hmmm....You finally got mad when a black man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick.



Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick...





Oh, Hell No!!
 
And that was supposed to be the end of it with the borders being secured. It's time to do it with land mines if necessary!!


Quote from Range Rover:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...n/06/rudy-giuliani/yep-reagan-did-the-a-word/



"Ronald Reagan did amnesty."

Yep. Reagan did the A-word




The GOP candidates keep sparring over who's tougher on immigration. In this climate, dem is fightin' words to say your opponent supports "sanctuary" or "amnesty" for illegal immigrants.

But as Giuliani reminded his foes during the Jan. 5, 2008, Republican debate, none other than Ronald Reagan, the patron saint of modern-day conservatism, signed the very law that Republicans call amnesty.

Say it ain't so!

Sorry. It's so. In 1986, Reagan signed an immigration reform bill, the first in 20 years, that legalized the status for 1.7-million people.
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Quote from slapshot:

It has been social policies stuffed into our system (at both State and Federal levels) almost entirely by Democrats that has led to the huge social net and citizenship rights for children of illegals born here.
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I believe the only amnesty program for illegal immigrants that the US has ever had was brought into existence by Ronald Reagan.
 
Quote from slapshot:

You are such a rabid, ignorant left-wing moron. This is pure proof once again that anytime you want to know the facts about anything, just look to the exact opposite of what a liberal blame-pointer says and there lies the truth.

You bleeders are the master liars when it comes to failed social experiment/entitlement giveaways and then turn around and try to blame the other side for the horrible damage you have inflicted on this country after several decades of "progress".

It has been social policies stuffed into our system (at both State and Federal levels) almost entirely by Democrats that has led to the huge social net and citizenship rights for children of illegals born here.

I live in a border state with Mexico. It has ALWAYS been liberals that have blocked EVERY SINGLE conservative attempt to reign in immigration and socialist benefits for people who barely produce.

The so-called greedy Right would never give ultra-expensive free emergency-room care, education and tens of thousands of dollars per year in direct and indirect benefits to each illegal here. This has been a purely Democratic boondoggle.

Illegals are not high-producers, in fact they are the worst workers productivity-wise. They barely speak the language, only show up when they want to. Many are lazy or criminal. An employer has to hire extra spanish-speaking foremen that can manage them. There is a higher incidence of workplace theft and waste because they don't really care about the buisness nor do they really have any opportunity to advance. They are always the employee of last resort for any smart business.

If anything, Republicans would want to bus them in/out on a guest worker program as cheaply as possible. They certainly don't aspire to give them social programs and entitlements.

Where they have failed is allowing Dems to pack social pork into legislation, if anything they have sold out their principles to compromise with the left on this issue.

Right now you have Obama and some socialist left-winger Governors suing Arizona for trying to get immigration under control!

So why don't you accept the reality that it is the Democrats that want to expand their power and political base by pandering to the people of color in the US that have relatives affected by immigration reform?
More...




There is nothing more educational than name calling and throwing insults. Good thing this is not face to face. I would not want to have somebody stomp my head. I am sure this is what the Founding fathers meant when they spoke of having a healthy discourse. I am all for exchanging ideas but will not lower myself to the kind of discourse you are basking in. Ciao!
 
Quote from limitdown:

(email comments "It Speaks For Itself", from Dr. Cordell O'Connor)



Subject: speaks for itself...





Now , after reading this, you will understand what extreme right-wing parties ( i.e. Tea Party (GOP)) are up to . Such as my previous e-mail re; "what the real question should be..."







After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get Mad?


You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate Energy policy and push us to invade Iraq.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 800 billion (and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden. You didn't get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget and current account deficits.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city... New Orleans... drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks.

You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades.

You didn't get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance.

You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values.

Hmmm....You finally got mad when a black man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick.



Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick...





Oh, Hell No!!
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Using facts and normal dialogue will get you nowhere. We should get rid of "all socialism" that exists in the US and go back to the times where people worked 6 days a week 10 to 12 hours a day, without Social Security, free education and unions. Those were the days!
 
Quote from saxon22:

There is nothing more educational than name calling and throwing insults. Good thing this is not face to face. I would not want to have somebody stomp my head. I am sure this is what the Founding fathers meant when they spoke of having a healthy discourse. I am all for exchanging ideas but will not lower myself to the kind of discourse you are basking in. Ciao!
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Oh, boo hoo.

Then stop posting inflamatory lies if you don't want a little heat.

Some of us who live with this issue every day and know the facts and truth are pretty passionate about it.
 
Quote from Random.Capital:

I believe the only amnesty program for illegal immigrants that the US has ever had was brought into existence by Ronald Reagan.
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Respectfully, let's not confuse a one-time compassionate compromise with liberals on this issue as being responsible for several decades of Democratic entitlement creation - literaly hundreds of pieces of legislation both State and Federal.

And who is suing in federal court now to try and prevent our own governments laws from being enforced? It surely is not conservatives.
 
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