Unvaccinated people are "variant factories"
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I'll post this from a medical abstract with link below...its about as dumb down as I can find it by researchers in which its very common for people to get drug resistant (very common) mixed up with vaccine resistant (extremely rare).
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Why is drug resistance common and vaccine resistance rare?
Drugs and vaccines both impose substantial pressure on pathogen populations to evolve resistance and indeed, drug resistance typically emerges soon after the introduction of a drug. But vaccine resistance has only rarely emerged. Using well-established principles of population genetics and evolutionary ecology, we argue that two key differences between vaccines and drugs explain why vaccines have so far proved more robust against evolution than drugs.
- First, vaccines tend to work prophylactically while drugs tend to work therapeutically.
- Second, vaccines tend to induce immune responses against multiple targets on a pathogen while drugs tend to target very few.
With careful forethought, it may be possible to identify vaccines at risk of failure even before they are introduced.
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The above brings back the topic of some of the miracle drugs being hyped here @ Elitetrader.com in which I've asked several questions about why certain countries that have been using these miracle drugs against Covid infections in 2020 have had these crazy Covid surges in late 2020 and early 2021.
Short Answer - It's because Covid became drug-resistant to these miracle drugs soon after their introduction into the population of a specific country...resulting in those crazy Covid surges.
These countries then tried to combine the miracle drug with other drugs which by the way is normal even in modern medicine but Covid will soon become drug-resistant to the drug combo. In fact, many use these as clues (low vaccination rates / high miracle drug use) to anticipate the birth of the next variants.
All of the above will more often than not...birth variants of Covid in comparison to the rarity of Vaccines doing the same.
- Simply, the likelihood of variants was either via not vaccinated people or drug-resistant to a miracle drug and the latter becomes problematic for vaccines to target the new type of variant.
Therefore, variants from vaccinated individuals...not likely.
In contrast, variants from drug-resistance of miracle drugs or variants from not vaccinated people...highly likely.
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you lie in the face of science and data.
and the high risk are just starting to get serious illness as their protection from the vaccine wanes...
why are you so full of shit...
We have only had people dual dosed for a few months...
yet we are seeing and increase in cases and severe cases.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210726/breakthrough-cases-rising-with-delta-heres-what-that-means
Breakthrough Cases Rising With Delta: Here's What That Means
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Breakthroughs by the Numbers
In Los Angeles County, where 69% of residents over age 12 have been fully vaccinated, COVID-19 cases are rising, and so, too, are cases that break through the protection of the vaccine.
In June, fully vaccinated people accounted for 20%, or 1 in 5, COVID cases in the county, which is the most populous in the United States. The increase mirrors Delta's rise. The proportion of breakthrough cases is up from 11% in May, 5% in April, and 2% in March, according to the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health.
In the United Kingdom, which is collecting the best information on infections caused by variants, the estimated effectiveness of the vaccines to prevent an illness that causes symptoms dropped by about 10 points against Delta compared with Alpha (or B.1.1.7).
After two doses, vaccines prevent symptomatic infection about 79% of the time against Delta, according to data compiled by Public Health England. They are still highly effective at preventing hospitalization, 96% after two doses.
Out of 229,218 COVID infections in the United Kingdom between February and July 19, 28,773 — or about 12.5% — were in fully vaccinated people. Of those breakthrough infections, 1,101, or 3.8%, required a visit to an emergency room, according to Public Health England. Just 474, or 2.9%, of fully vaccinated people required hospital admission, and 229, or less than 1%, died.
Unanswered Questions
One of the biggest questions about breakthrough cases is how often people who have it may pass the virus to others.
"We know the vaccine reduces the likelihood of carrying the virus and the amount of virus you would carry," Wen told CNN.
But we don't yet know whether a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection may still be contagious to others.
For that reason, the CDC says that fully vaccinated people still need to be tested if they have symptoms and shouldn't be out in public for at least 10 days after a positive test.
How should fully vaccinated people behave? That depends a lot on their underlying health and whether or not they have vulnerable people around them.
If you're older or immunocompromised, Schaffner recommends what he calls the "belt-and-suspenders approach," in other words, do everything you can to stay safe.
social distancing, making sure your spaces are well ventilated, and not spending prolonged periods of time indoors in crowded places.
Taking young children to visit vaccinated, elderly grandparents demands extra caution, again, with Delta circulating, particularly as kids go back to school and start mixing with other kids.
Schaffner recommends explaining the ground rules before the visit: Hugs around the waist. No kissing. Wearing a mask while indoors with them.
Other important unanswered questions are whether breakthrough infections can lead to prolonged symptoms, or "long covid." Most experts think that's less likely in vaccinated people.
And Osterholm says it will be important to see whether there's anything unusual about the breakthrough cases happening in the community.
"I think some of us have been challenged by the number of clusters that we've seen," he said. "I think that really needs to be examined more.".
and the high risk are just starting to get serious illness as their protection from the vaccine wanes...
why are you so full of shit...
We have only had people dual dosed for a few months...
yet we are seeing and increase in cases and severe cases.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210726/breakthrough-cases-rising-with-delta-heres-what-that-means
Breakthrough Cases Rising With Delta: Here's What That Means
....
Breakthroughs by the Numbers
In Los Angeles County, where 69% of residents over age 12 have been fully vaccinated, COVID-19 cases are rising, and so, too, are cases that break through the protection of the vaccine.
In June, fully vaccinated people accounted for 20%, or 1 in 5, COVID cases in the county, which is the most populous in the United States. The increase mirrors Delta's rise. The proportion of breakthrough cases is up from 11% in May, 5% in April, and 2% in March, according to the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health.
In the United Kingdom, which is collecting the best information on infections caused by variants, the estimated effectiveness of the vaccines to prevent an illness that causes symptoms dropped by about 10 points against Delta compared with Alpha (or B.1.1.7).
After two doses, vaccines prevent symptomatic infection about 79% of the time against Delta, according to data compiled by Public Health England. They are still highly effective at preventing hospitalization, 96% after two doses.
Out of 229,218 COVID infections in the United Kingdom between February and July 19, 28,773 — or about 12.5% — were in fully vaccinated people. Of those breakthrough infections, 1,101, or 3.8%, required a visit to an emergency room, according to Public Health England. Just 474, or 2.9%, of fully vaccinated people required hospital admission, and 229, or less than 1%, died.
Unanswered Questions
One of the biggest questions about breakthrough cases is how often people who have it may pass the virus to others.
"We know the vaccine reduces the likelihood of carrying the virus and the amount of virus you would carry," Wen told CNN.
But we don't yet know whether a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection may still be contagious to others.
For that reason, the CDC says that fully vaccinated people still need to be tested if they have symptoms and shouldn't be out in public for at least 10 days after a positive test.
How should fully vaccinated people behave? That depends a lot on their underlying health and whether or not they have vulnerable people around them.
If you're older or immunocompromised, Schaffner recommends what he calls the "belt-and-suspenders approach," in other words, do everything you can to stay safe.
social distancing, making sure your spaces are well ventilated, and not spending prolonged periods of time indoors in crowded places.
Taking young children to visit vaccinated, elderly grandparents demands extra caution, again, with Delta circulating, particularly as kids go back to school and start mixing with other kids.
Schaffner recommends explaining the ground rules before the visit: Hugs around the waist. No kissing. Wearing a mask while indoors with them.
Other important unanswered questions are whether breakthrough infections can lead to prolonged symptoms, or "long covid." Most experts think that's less likely in vaccinated people.
And Osterholm says it will be important to see whether there's anything unusual about the breakthrough cases happening in the community.
"I think some of us have been challenged by the number of clusters that we've seen," he said. "I think that really needs to be examined more.".
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There are very few breakthrough cases among the vaccinated when looking at the big picture...
More than 99.99% of fully vaccinated people have not had a severe breakthrough case, CDC data suggests
https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-new...s-08-09-21/h_9c6a79bada1c3b54c7d873635394a789
More than 99.99% of people who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to a CNN analysis of data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
As of Aug. 2, more than 164 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19, according to the CDC. Fewer than 0.001% of those individuals — 1,507 people — died and fewer than 0.005% — 7,101 people — were hospitalized with Covid-19.
CDC last published data on breakthrough cases through July 26. These latest figures include 938 additional severe breakthrough cases — 862 additional hospitalizations and 244 additional deaths — reported over that seven-day period. The CDC does not provide more detail about the timing of the breakthrough cases.
(More at above url)
COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/
Breakthrough cases aren’t the cause of the US Covid-19 surge
Unvaccinated people still make up the vast majority of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.
https://www.vox.com/22602039/breakthrough-cases-covid-19-delta-variant-masks-vaccines
and its waning if you see the data from Isreal...
Protection from severe Covid... 97.5 down to 91.4 in about 3 months...
according to your article the CDC data is:
According to the CDC, this data relies on “passive and voluntary reporting” and are a “snapshot” to “help identify patterns and look for signals among vaccine breakthrough cases.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/science/covid-vaccine-israel-pfizer.html
They published their results in May, based on records from Jan. 24 to April 3: They estimated that the vaccine was 95 percent effective in preventing infection from the coronavirus in the country. In other words, the risk of getting Covid-19 was nearly 100 percent reduced in vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated ones. The researchers also estimated that the vaccine was 97.5 percent effective against severe disease.
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More recently, they ran another analysis. This time, they looked at cases between June 20 and July 17. In that period, they estimated, the vaccine’s effectiveness was even lower: just 39 percent against infection.
Still, they estimated that the vaccine’s effectiveness against serious disease remained high, at 91.4 percent.
Protection from severe Covid... 97.5 down to 91.4 in about 3 months...
according to your article the CDC data is:
According to the CDC, this data relies on “passive and voluntary reporting” and are a “snapshot” to “help identify patterns and look for signals among vaccine breakthrough cases.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/science/covid-vaccine-israel-pfizer.html
They published their results in May, based on records from Jan. 24 to April 3: They estimated that the vaccine was 95 percent effective in preventing infection from the coronavirus in the country. In other words, the risk of getting Covid-19 was nearly 100 percent reduced in vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated ones. The researchers also estimated that the vaccine was 97.5 percent effective against severe disease.
vs
More recently, they ran another analysis. This time, they looked at cases between June 20 and July 17. In that period, they estimated, the vaccine’s effectiveness was even lower: just 39 percent against infection.
Still, they estimated that the vaccine’s effectiveness against serious disease remained high, at 91.4 percent.
New on Drudge...
ALARM: PFIZER only 42% effective against infection in July...
FDA poised to authorize 3rd dose...
New data on coronavirus vaccine effectiveness may be "a wakeup call"
so moron... I told you... what you were doing was lying with stale data... because these vaccines were waning..
So will you now shut the fuck up...
ttps://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccines-pfizer-moderna-delta-biden-e9be4bb0-3d10-4f56-8054-5410be357070.html
A new preprint study that raises concerns about the mRNA vaccines' effectiveness against Delta — particularly Pfizer's — has already grabbed the attention of top Biden administration officials.
What they're saying: The study found the Pfizer vaccine was only 42% effective against infection in July, when the Delta variant was dominant. "If that's not a wakeup call, I don't know what is," a senior Biden official told Axios.
Driving the news: The study, conducted by nference and the Mayo Clinic, compared the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in the Mayo Clinic Health System over time from January to July.
Why it matters: Although it has yet to be peer-reviewed, the study raises serious questions about both vaccines' long-term effectiveness, particularly Pfizer's.
ALARM: PFIZER only 42% effective against infection in July...
FDA poised to authorize 3rd dose...
New data on coronavirus vaccine effectiveness may be "a wakeup call"
so moron... I told you... what you were doing was lying with stale data... because these vaccines were waning..
So will you now shut the fuck up...
ttps://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccines-pfizer-moderna-delta-biden-e9be4bb0-3d10-4f56-8054-5410be357070.html
A new preprint study that raises concerns about the mRNA vaccines' effectiveness against Delta — particularly Pfizer's — has already grabbed the attention of top Biden administration officials.
What they're saying: The study found the Pfizer vaccine was only 42% effective against infection in July, when the Delta variant was dominant. "If that's not a wakeup call, I don't know what is," a senior Biden official told Axios.
Driving the news: The study, conducted by nference and the Mayo Clinic, compared the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in the Mayo Clinic Health System over time from January to July.
- Overall, it found that the Moderna vaccine was 86% effective against infection over the study period, and Pfizer's was 76%. Moderna's vaccine was 92% effective against hospitalization and Pfizer's was 85%.
- But the vaccines' effectiveness against infection dropped sharply in July, when the Delta variant's prevalence in Minnesota had risen to over 70%.
- Moderna was 76% effective against infection, and Pfizer was only 42% effective.
- The study found similar results in other states. For example, in Florida, the risk of infection in July for people fully vaccinated with Moderna was about 60% lower than for people fully vaccinated with Pfizer.
Why it matters: Although it has yet to be peer-reviewed, the study raises serious questions about both vaccines' long-term effectiveness, particularly Pfizer's.
- It's unclear whether the results signify a reduction in effectiveness over time, a reduced effectiveness against Delta, or a combination of both.
- “Based on the data that we have so far, it is a combination of both factors," said Venky Soundararajan,a lead author of the study. "The Moderna vaccine is likely — very likely — more effective than the Pfizer vaccine in areas where Delta is the dominant strain, and the Pfizer vaccine appears to have a lower durability of effectiveness.”
- He added that his team is working on a follow-up study that will try to differentiate between the durability of the two vaccines and their effectiveness against Delta.
- And experts cautioned against rushing to conclusions.
- “This is the kind of surprising finding that needs confirmation before we should accept its validity," said Cornell virologist John Moore.
- For example, Moderna is given in a stronger dose than Pfizer, and there is a slightly different time interval between shots.
- "There are a few differences between what are known to be similar vaccines .... None of these variables is an obvious smoking gun, although the dosing amount seems the most likely to be a factor," Moore said.
Yes... I have covered all the Israeli data in detail regarding Pfizer vaccination and the Delta variant.
You do realize the Israeli study found a 2.6% breakthrough infection rate. This correlates with all the other information from Israel including the 39% effectiveness for infection transmission with COVID. As well as being aligned with the U.S. seeing over 97% of the COVID cases are among the unvaccinated.
Israeli study finds 2.6% COVID breakthrough infection rate
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...dy-finds-26-covid-breakthrough-infection-rate
If the vaccine was 90% effective in stopping infection transmission then the breakthrough infection rate would be under 0.3%. The reality is that a 2.6% breakthrough rate is still much better than being unvaccinated.
you area sick fuck.... that data ended in May. I gave the recent numbers..
you do not read... or comprehend...
The effectiveness of the vaccines are waning...
pfizer is dramatically waning.
you do not read... or comprehend...
The effectiveness of the vaccines are waning...
pfizer is dramatically waning.
Not worth debating about the differences between Israel and the United States considering they've approached vaccination much differently while at the same time they've introduced miracle drugs into their population that's much higher in use in comparison to the United States.
Simply, Israel is more likely to produce a Covid variant than the United States.
By the way, has the greek name "Omega" been taken by Covid ???
I just checked...Omega still has not been born yet.
wrbtrader
here is the pre print...
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1
However, in July, the effectiveness against infection was considerably lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) with an even more pronounced reduction in effectiveness for BNT162b2 (42%, 95% CI: 13-62%).
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1
However, in July, the effectiveness against infection was considerably lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) with an even more pronounced reduction in effectiveness for BNT162b2 (42%, 95% CI: 13-62%).