Unvaccinated people are "variant factories"

[gwb-trading]

It's funny how you are using the stats we used to explain covid in context and you always focused on virus spread.. saying...we must lock down. No rights for the healthy...

Now I am explaining efficacy of vaccines are waning and the fuck that you are is telling us everything is fine with the vaccinated instead of looking at the virus spread increasing significantly in the vaccinated.

Explain to us how a vaccinated breakthrough infection rate correlates with the effectiveness of a vaccine to stop infections. When you understand and can explain the basic math -- then get back to us.

 

[wrbtrader]

Once again, let's take a look at recent data from the U.S.

"As of Aug. 2, more than 164 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19, according to the CDC. Fewer than 0.001% of those individuals — 1,507 people — died and fewer than 0.005% — 7,101 people — were hospitalized with Covid-19."

More Than 99.99% of Vaccinated Americans Have Not Died or Been Hospitalized From Covid: CDC
https://www.mediaite.com/news/over-...rom-death-and-hospitalization-from-covid-cdc/

The latest data from the CDC regarding the Covid-19 vaccines is extremely positive for two key factors: protection against death and hospitalization. In fact, the numbers show that for fully-vaccinated Americans, more than 99.99% of them “have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death.”

The promising data comes from a CNN analysis of the information collected by the CDC, and the exact figures illustrate exactly how broad the protection have proven to be from the three vaccines approved for emergency use by the FDA:

As of Aug. 2, more than 164 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19, according to the CDC. Fewer than 0.001% of those individuals — 1,507 people — died and fewer than 0.005% — 7,101 people — were hospitalized with Covid-19.

The CDC also noted that 74% of the reported breakthrough cases — a positive case of Covid-19 in someone who was fully vaccinated — occurred in people who were at least 65 years old.

Moreover, out of the 1,507 people who died, one in five of those were “reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19,” the CDC says.

The report comes amid heavy media coverage of the highly contagious Delta variant of the virus, as well as concerns about other potential future variants.

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Absolutely correct...

Another way to dumb it down to those that are dumb and stubborn...

• More than 90% of the hospitalization from Covid illnesses are those that are not vaccinated.

Covid Delta Variant is targeting younger adults and the country's children. It's time for the Covidiots in the United States to wake up...school is about the start.

You Reap What You Sow

wrbtrader

 

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[jem]

I have trouble understanding the question... it is so ignorant of the recent data.

If we were at zero breakthroughs and now "experts" everywhere are calling for boosters... how he hell could you be denying the effectiveness of the vaccines are fading.

But if you want even newer data .. I gave it to you yesterday on 3 different threads...

did you not read... the study.. it destroys your beliefs

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

However, in July, the effectiveness against infection was considerably lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) with an even more pronounced reduction in effectiveness for BNT162b2 (42%, 95% CI: 13-62%).

Explain to us how a vaccinated breakthrough infection rate correlates with the effectiveness of a vaccine to stop infections. When you understand and can explain the basic math -- then get back to us.

 

[gwb-trading]

I have trouble understanding the question... it is so ignorant of the recent data.

If we were at zero breakthroughs and now "experts" everywhere are calling for boosters... how he hell could you be denying the effectiveness of the vaccines are fading.

But if you want even newer data .. I gave it to you yesterday on 3 different threads...

did you not read... the study.. it destroys your beliefs

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

However, in July, the effectiveness against infection was considerably lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) with an even more pronounced reduction in effectiveness for BNT162b2 (42%, 95% CI: 13-62%).

So once again -- explain to us what an effectiveness against infection of 42% implies for the suggested vaccinated breakthrough infection rate. At least tell us if the correct answer is above or below a 3% vaccinated breakthrough infection rate.

 

[jem]

When the vaccinated are getting infected at an increasing rate...the effectiveness of the vaccine is waning with respect to protection against infection.

Do you comprehend that are do you prefer to lie and obfuscate.

Right now you are once again lying or obfuscating vs the data and science.

 

[gwb-trading]

When the vaccinated are getting infected at an increasing rate...the effectiveness of the vaccine is waning with respect to protection against infection.

Do you comprehend that are do you prefer to lie and obfuscate.

Right now you are once again lying or obfuscating vs the data and science.

So let's try this again - Explain to us what an effectiveness against infection of 42% implies for the suggested vaccinated breakthrough infection rate. At least tell us if the correct answer is above or below a 3% vaccinated breakthrough infection rate.

 

[jem]

that is irrelevant to my point... you are just lying and douching it up again.

you are trying to say its not a big deal at the moment... and I am saying the increasing rate is the big concern for the scientists. Right now the concern is the early adopters protection has dropped significantly... what happens if the bulk of double vaccinated shows the same pattern.

Why are you purposely be so fucking stupid on this?
You were always warning about every potential spike in infections...
This is very concerning because protection faded so fast and significantly on the pfizer vaccine.

So let's try this again - Explain to us what an effectiveness against infection of 42% implies for the suggested vaccinated breakthrough infection rate. At least tell us if the correct answer is above or below a 3% vaccinated breakthrough infection rate.

 

[gwb-trading]

that is irrelevant to my point... you are just lying and douching it up again.

you are trying to say its not a big deal at the moment... and I am saying the increasing rate is the big concern for the scientists. Right now the concern is the early adopters protection has dropped significantly... what happens if the bulk of double vaccinated shows the same pattern.

Why are you purposely be so fucking stupid on this?
You were always warning about every potential spike in infections...
This is very concerning because protection faded so fast and significantly on the pfizer vaccine.

Once again you can't answer a simple science & math question.

 

[jem]

once again... you are full of shit... and you were caught lying and obfuscating...
and now you are douching it up.

so I will keep posting this until you accept the data and the science... that the effectiveness of the vaccines are fading...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

However, in July, the effectiveness against infection was considerably lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) with an even more pronounced reduction in effectiveness for BNT162b2 (42%, 95% CI: 13-62%).

Once again you can't answer a simple science & math question.