How many people do you personally know or know of who has gotten covid twice?
Unvaccinated 5 times more likely to get Omicron
- Thread starter gwb-trading
- Start date
asked and answered
Link
I saw that but the post did not mention anyone getting it twice so I assume that to be the case.Fair enough.
yeah, that's the case. In fairness I don't care enough to follow up on acquaintances' conditions since I'm vaxxed (I don't social media), my social circle is maybe 200 ppl, but I only really keep track of like 20 of them. I'm prime example of why relying on anecdotes is a bit of hit or miss (you could be living in a hotspot while I could be rural for instance).
FWIW: my original belief is that getting the disease likely is better than an mRNA vax (which just targets the spike protein) while your body would likely have a broad spectrum protection from the disease. IOW, antibodies would recognize other geometries/chemistries than just the spike protein. My understanding is the Omicron spike protein is different enough and is why mRNA vax aren't as effective.
I don't think studies are out for Omicron yet, but at least my theory didn't seem to pan out in earlier variants (haven't really looked much into it).
Science aint my thing which is why I go on what I personally see in my circle or covid cases I can put a face to (The NFL covid results/covid cases with famous people ). Those results show virtually no one is getting covid twice.
American media has done an absolute horrid job about the pandemic. I looked at the Chinese authorities on masking--initially in contradiction to what the CDC said, & look at the Brits/Euros on the natural immunity/vax for kids debate. Their policy is kind of a mixed bag of "no need". Pharma has lesser influence on their health and media apparatus over there so they've got to look at the evidence.
Reinfections are much more difficult to document than breakthrough infections...period.
For example, I know several people (one a professional hockey player) that thought their itchy throat or little fatigue was associated with their workout routine. They would have never known they were infected with Covid and most likely continue to spread Covid if they had not been in a situation that required a Covid test (e.g. travel requirements.
The Doctor or Nurse is then required to fill out the hospital "reinfection paperwork" to be sent to the government.
Hell, I even posted a link to what the "reinfection paperwork" looks like in the United States that can only be filled out by a patient's Doctor or Nurse.
I have a degree in Immunology and I have access to hospital data that most do not have until several months after the fact because of my relatives, friends, and girlfriend that work with Covid patients.
The numbers are damn scary and it's very sad to see these types of ignorant debates involving vaccinated breakthrough infections in comparison to not vaccinated individuals and in comparison to reinfections.
It's a pain in the ass to fill out the "reinfection paperwork" for it to then be sent to the government and the cost for it to be genomic sequenced verified is prohibitive for most private hospitals / clinics in comparison to verifying a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection.
Last of all, in the past month, when the Omicron variant became the dominant variant of concern, only a dozen countries conducted genomic sequencing for more than 5% of their Covid-19 cases:
Now look very closely at the % of positive Covid cases that are genomic sequence in the below chart...critical data that would be needed to verify a Covid mutation and reinfection.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/health/coronavirus-genomic-sequencing-intl-cmd/index.html
In the past 30 days -- during which time Omicron came to the global spotlight -- fewer than a third of countries and territories sequenced cases to identify how the virus has changed over time, according to CNN analysis of data reported to the global science initiative GISAID.
The country has an enormous virus-sequencing capacity, but funding and coordination roadblocks are holding it back.
Seriously, stop the dumbass debates about reinfections...we just don't have the data tracking (costly and lack of funding) in the United States in comparison to other countries and reinfections is far worst than you think.
wrbtrader
- Further, the healthcare system was not set up to document reinfections properly until the Biden Administration came into office.
For example, I know several people (one a professional hockey player) that thought their itchy throat or little fatigue was associated with their workout routine. They would have never known they were infected with Covid and most likely continue to spread Covid if they had not been in a situation that required a Covid test (e.g. travel requirements.
- That's why Omicron spread so fast and became the dominant Variant of Concern so easily.
- Seriously, look at the millions of home Covid tests that have been sent out to people by mail during this Omicron wave...an infected person will stay home and self-isolate with their little fever, scratchy throat, and little fatigued. They are not going to send their results to a lab to be genomically sequenced at a cost of several thousand dollars per genomic sequence verification to confirm the type of Covid and to confirm if they have antibodies that would reveal a prior Covid infection.
- That's why it's ridiculous to be comparing personal experiences without the local hospitalization data nor should you be using news stories from the media about athletes that do not represent the general population of infection.
The Doctor or Nurse is then required to fill out the hospital "reinfection paperwork" to be sent to the government.
Hell, I even posted a link to what the "reinfection paperwork" looks like in the United States that can only be filled out by a patient's Doctor or Nurse.
- I have a brother (Doctor) and sister (head nurse)...they understand that vaccinated people with breakthrough infections are better documented and better counted than Covid reinfections.
- Vaccinated people in the ICU typically are less likely to need a ventilator and less likely to be intubated than those not vaccinated and than those in the ICU as a "reinfection". I've posted countless hospital data / charts that verify this fact.
I have a degree in Immunology and I have access to hospital data that most do not have until several months after the fact because of my relatives, friends, and girlfriend that work with Covid patients.
The numbers are damn scary and it's very sad to see these types of ignorant debates involving vaccinated breakthrough infections in comparison to not vaccinated individuals and in comparison to reinfections.
It's a pain in the ass to fill out the "reinfection paperwork" for it to then be sent to the government and the cost for it to be genomic sequenced verified is prohibitive for most private hospitals / clinics in comparison to verifying a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection.
Last of all, in the past month, when the Omicron variant became the dominant variant of concern, only a dozen countries conducted genomic sequencing for more than 5% of their Covid-19 cases:
- Denmark, Bahrain, Israel, Cambodia, Sweden, United Kingdom, Ghana, Luxembourg, Senegal, Aruba, New Zealand, and Botswana.
Now look very closely at the % of positive Covid cases that are genomic sequence in the below chart...critical data that would be needed to verify a Covid mutation and reinfection.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/health/coronavirus-genomic-sequencing-intl-cmd/index.html
In the past 30 days -- during which time Omicron came to the global spotlight -- fewer than a third of countries and territories sequenced cases to identify how the virus has changed over time, according to CNN analysis of data reported to the global science initiative GISAID.
- Almost a third of the 241 countries and territories tracked by Gisaid have failed to sequence more than 100 samples over the course of the pandemic.
The country has an enormous virus-sequencing capacity, but funding and coordination roadblocks are holding it back.
Seriously, stop the dumbass debates about reinfections...we just don't have the data tracking (costly and lack of funding) in the United States in comparison to other countries and reinfections is far worst than you think.
wrbtrader
Last edited:
You are a main proponent of vaccination and this is an embarrassement for your cause,i think you know more than just point to number of search results.
@gwb-trading please get familiar with search algorithm and let your friends know you acted irrational
I give you example how irrational pointing to google search results to back your point of view was,especially against argument where data on NFL players is clearly spelled out.
Last edited: