Unrigging Our Elections

[UsualName]

Elections really should be investigated for fraud, and taken to court if necessary. We should get started on this problem right away.

Lol. Last election the mantra was “voter fraud.” This time around it’s “ballot harvesting.”

If these republicans spent half the time working on their get out the vote efforts as they do on spreading lies and conspiracy theories they might actually win some of the elections they lost.

 

[Cuddles]

Lol. Last election the mantra was “voter fraud.” This time around it’s “ballot harvesting.”

If these republicans spent half the time working on their get out the vote efforts as they do on spreading lies and conspiracy theories they might actually win some of the elections they lost.

Don't forget the "they're stealing it w/vote by mail and COVID shutdown"

 

[Ricter]

60+ thrown out cases, 0 cases proven of voter fraud.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Than can certainly be fixed with a 3rd party official or some other process to proof the chain of custody like done in criminal evidence procedures. I also am not in favor of someone going out and collecting all the ballots from people in a neighborhood.

However the get out the vote movement works well for both sides so they just need to fix the final step.

It would certainly be better than it currently is.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Well there is your ambiguity. Creating conditions in which registration and actual voting is difficult because some people do not have the means or time to vote or register does not mean they “don’t want to vote.” But people who would vote otherwise doesn’t mean they “don’t want to vote.”

But again coercion is illegal too. So obviously I’m against that as well.

Here’s what I will say, your instincts are right. You can identify illegal behavior related to voting. But you seem to not know where the line is between what you call “harvesting” and actual crime.

I'm not saying any of it is a crime. In fact, I'm explicitly referring to activities that are allowed by law. I'm just saying it shouldn't happen - which is my opinion only.

Again, this is more about republicans having a traditionally shitty ground operation and turn out the vote strategy. The right wing commentators you seem to be reading, thinking they “articles”, blur the line but their agenda is stop democrats from having effective ground operations rather than improving their ground operations.

It is also important to note a lot of the democrats ground operations are in response to republican making it difficult to vote for marginalized groups. It’s a push and pull.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/594

https://www.votescount.us/NoIncentives.aspx

You are 100% correct, it is a shitty ground operation by Republicans because they don't do this ballot harvesting. They should, where legal.

But that doesn't mean I don't believe the process should be made illegal. Further, and to say this once more, I'm not talking about making mail in ballots illegal. Lets assume they stay as they are. Then there is no need for a third party to harvest ballots whatsoever. If you can't make the trip or don't want to, you simply mail in your ballot. Why is any third party needed to go door to door to get ballots and turn them in for you? All that does is weaken the custody chain of the ballot, and sew distrust upon the voting process.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Lol. Last election the mantra was “voter fraud.” This time around it’s “ballot harvesting.”

If these republicans spent half the time working on their get out the vote efforts as they do on spreading lies and conspiracy theories they might actually win some of the elections they lost.

What will be amusing is when republicans do become more savvy and start ballot harvesting, and start winning elections because of it. Then we'll start seeing folks on the left condemning the process, and it'll be funny to revisit comments like this. Because you can bet your ass its gonna happen.

 

[UsualName]

What will be amusing is when republicans do become more savvy and start ballot harvesting, and start winning elections because of it. Then we'll start seeing folks on the left condemning the process, and it'll be funny to revisit comments like this. Because you can bet your ass its gonna happen.

Now we are getting into the political science of this. Republican voters tend to be highly reliable voters. By and large, they typically participate in elections and stay within their party.

Interestingly, with his populist streak, Trump opened the party up to untraditional republican voters. The Republican Party would benefit with a get out the vote effort with these voters.

As to the rest of all of this, I really don’t see any issue with collecting votes or registrations. It really is t out of the ordinary it’s just republicans have been bad at it. Yes, coupling it with incentives such as a gift card or down right coercing voters is illegal. But the two are not synonymous with collecting.

 

[Cuddles]

Now we are getting into the political science of this. Republican voters tend to be highly reliable voters. By and large, they typically participate in elections and stay within their party.

Interestingly, with his populist streak, Trump opened the party up to untraditional republican voters. The Republican Party would benefit with a get out the vote effort with these voters.

As to the rest of all of this, I really don’t see any issue with collecting votes or registrations. It really is t out of the ordinary it’s just republicans have been bad at it. Yes, coupling it with incentives such as a gift card or down right coercing voters is illegal. But the two are not synonymous with collecting.

it won't because the con mantra became "mail-in votes=fraud, ballot harvesting=fraud, electronic voting=fraud, in-person paper ballot voting=only legitimate method". I'm all for their self-sabotage.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Now we are getting into the political science of this. Republican voters tend to be highly reliable voters. By and large, they typically participate in elections and stay within their party.

Interestingly, with his populist streak, Trump opened the party up to untraditional republican voters. The Republican Party would benefit with a get out the vote effort with these voters.

As to the rest of all of this, I really don’t see any issue with collecting votes or registrations. It really is t out of the ordinary it’s just republicans have been bad at it. Yes, coupling it with incentives such as a gift card or down right coercing voters is illegal. But the two are not synonymous with collecting.

Again, I'm not talking about Republican or Democrat voters. I'm talking about shepherding and harvesting votes of people who simply couldn't care less. Which is approximately 40% or more of the population.

 

[elderado]