Underfunded fx daytrader looking for advice

Hi!

T
Well, I'll take some heat for this, but let me suggest you consider trading
in Forex Binary Options. Before y'all slam me, let me explain a bit how this
works. Now we all know that trading shares features of gambling, and most
would agree that Binary Options are very close to gambling, wherein the House
takes the lion's share, and the Winning traders get their payouts on the backs
of the Losers who are "only guessing".

So the key is to have Analytics so that you have "an Edge". You will need a
consistent Win/Loss ratio higher than 2:1 and preferably 3:1 or higher to operate.
Remember that trading is "predatory" and you must carefully choose your
time to strike the market, more about those critical details later.

Scenario 1: EUR/USD $100k Short trade, we're into a few pips, but the market
just doesn't want to drop much further. We close with 3.5 PIPs gross, and let's
say that's 3.0 PIPs net after commish. So you make $30 on this winning Short
trade. You might have waited 15 or more minutes before deciding to close.

Scenario 2: EUR/USD PUT Binary Option $100 cash. Here, instead of choosing
when to close the trade, you decided to take a 3 minute expiry time on your
PUT option. At 3 minutes, we assume in this example, the PUT option expires and
you pocket $60 - $80. You would pocket that profit if the market dropped only
1 PIP, and it does not benefit you if it drops even more, unlike Scenario 1.
A LOSS costs you your $100, so you need to exceed a 2:1 Win/Loss ratio, and
remember this transaction took exactly 3 minutes, you can use less or more
time as you choose. Also you may "wager" as little as $5 for finer grained
trading, and lower risk of course.

You will want a few of things:
1) Precision short term Analytics which are effective over your time horizon.
2) Choice of a Symbol which is both predictable using your Analytics, and which
offers more price movement over a short time horizon. EUR/USD is not
the greatest choice, perhaps GBP/JPY or some other Forex pair which
you will trade for a living.
3) Since 1 PIP makes the difference between a WIN and a LOSS, you will want
an automated trigger to place your trade as accurately as possible, or at least
a low latency setup, you should run your platform on a data center server, etc...

I'll post an example showing a strong Short opportunity, but remember that EUR/USD
is not a very good choice, as its price movements are more restricted than many other
Forex pairs. Also, never rely on a single indication. I use a range of indications to
choose trade entries on a short term timeframe.

Short term binary options are not the only choices, and they can be extended to
longer timeframes but it requires only that you are correct by at least 1 PIP on the
price movement to Win... Naturally, as with any trading, you will also experience
losses. (frowny face here) Never forget that trading is "predatory", especially
short term day trading or micro scalping, so choose your moments very
carefully to maintain your edge. This should be obvious to you. In simple
terms, don't "over trade" and have a reason for each and every entry.

HyperScalper
Hi! Thanks for your post. Feel like I've possibly missed a trick on this binary options thing haha.

I feel like my style of price action analysis using s&r zones on tge m1 and m5 charts could totally suit binary options.

Couple questions if you please:

1. Can you recommend a broker? Preferrably someone who won't make it super difficult to withdraw funds. Looking for very short term options and accurate prices.

2. How do the spreads and commissions work?

Thanks in advance!
 
Hi!

T

Hi! Thanks for your post. Feel like I've possibly missed a trick on this binary options thing haha.

I feel like my style of price action analysis using s&r zones on tge m1 and m5 charts could totally suit binary options.

Couple questions if you please:

1. Can you recommend a broker? Preferrably someone who won't make it super difficult to withdraw funds. Looking for very short term options and accurate prices.

2. How do the spreads and commissions work?

Thanks in advance!

OK, I am not new to micro scalping of Forex so I've worked years on
short term indicators and fast strikes. But what I am new to is the
area of Binary Options.

Since you live in the UK, you can choose any Binary Options broker you
wish. I am U.S. based so I don't have that luxury but I use TradersWay.

They have a browser-based offering a white label of SpotOption's
platform. Since I've done this kind of "automatic button click" in other
contexts, I'm just gonna use AutoHotkey or a small routine I wrote
long ago accessible by Java JNI to click the button when my trigger
system says "go". So some manual setup, but the ultimate trigger
will be fast. The TW implementation of SpotOption does not have
an API, as is the case with many, and it also does not accept
Limit orders. You click, and the momentary price is what it is.

So you should look for a Binary Options broker (there are hundreds)
which have an API and get some software developed.

But I come back again to the most important part, which transforms
this from "gambling" into "professional trading" and that is the
** Analytics ** to support your decisions. You could contact me privately
or whatever, but there are many ways for you to take advantage
of the Binary Options concept (sometimes called Digital Options),
as opposed to the approach of ordinary "analog" Position Trading
which most of us do.

Best would be if you can specify the Option strike with a Limit Order
price, rather than a Market type "do the deal now"; but any form
of automation, and you'll want to run on a stable server Windows
or Linux GUI as you prefer with fast network connections.

I found with TradersWay (SpotOptions) browser implementations
from my Home Office, that Chrome, Firefox, Opera would hang
on their streaming quotes. We have a Linux/Centos/Gnome dedicated
box in Germany so I put it on there using Firefox, and Rock Solid
with perhaps 3-4 strike price quotes per second streaming in.
So data center quality networking you'll want. You can just access
your remote machine's user interface via VNC or RDP (for Windows
server). Automation beyond that, and how much you want to pay
for software and/or customization is up to you ! :)

So next time you blame your browser, it could just be your
Router/Modem and a good server setup with remote access
is a great deal these days. I think they call it "cloud computing" :) LOL

I can recommend http://HostEurope.ch (or .de) for Linux and Windows Server hosting,
but get a dedicated box since many of the cheapest VPS systems are not
good enough. Lots of good providers of cloud boxes.

In the U.S. a good provider is http://www.vpswebserver.com for
Windows server with guaranteed performance.

Scrounge around definitely read Mike's blog and reviews
and avoid "the Black List" of crooked brokers. Buyer beware
in this "emerging" area of Forex Binary Options. Check reviews and
choose carefully.
http://binaryoptions101.blog.com

Keep your contract sizes low until you see whether your Analytic
methods are up to the task... Risk modulation is the key to
survival, but you know all that, right ? :)

No commissions, the Losers pay your commission and the House
always keeps plenty for itself, which causes the 60%-80% payout rates
to fluctuate dynamically. They are also "in it for the money", just like us !! :)
As for spreads Bid/Ask not sure, but I think they use a "price" which
is perhaps a midpoint of the B/A or somewhere close enough anyway
as far as I've observed so far, but could be anything, broker specific.

I am just learning about this, and will investigate in depth a lot more
like trying to track their quoted prices, through Browser internal
"scraping" and comparing it against other price feeds, but those are
just details, all in good time. But pricing precision has been my obsession
for many years, so if you strike without delay and have a decent
Binary Options broker you'll get a fair price on your deal it appears.
Never trust Demo, always do Live trades for "the truth".

I use specialized "snap triggering" where the Market deflects a
defined amount or "pullback" and then I will trigger an entry.
Don't try to pull the trigger entirely manually if you can avoid it,
unless you're choosing like 5 minutes from now. But if you are
hitting the 30-60 second timeframes, my specialty, then you'll
need super fast specialist software to trigger your entries.

Other factors to consider, since I advocate "incremental exposure
control" is to enter multiple "deals" at differing prices and exposure
levels, as opposed to an "all in" deal which most traders use,
unwisely in my view.

I think they have some Reuters price feeds, but that's all I know
right now.

HyperScalper
 
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On the subject of Binary options, defined as a venture with a clearly defined exit point and a binary outcome, I would recommend "What I Learned Losing a Million Dollars", Columbia Business School Publishing, available from Amazon.
 
Thanks for your post!

I have applied for a new account with IB. However they are treating it like a new account application as they don't want to upset my introducing broker. And the thing is I opened my account with IB when I lived in Sweden. So my application states (quite correctly) that I am a

UK citizen
Previous address and employer in Sweden
Resident in Australia, also my funds are there
And currently on holiday in South Africa

This situation tends to make brokers nervous/suspicious in my experience. ;)

If you want to leave your Introducing Broker at IB, you should be able to do that by simply Unlinking your account. You should not have to create a new one.

Bob
 
Tha
OK, I am not new to micro scalping of Forex so I've worked years on
short term indicators and fast strikes. But what I am new to is the
area of Binary Options.

Since you live in the UK, you can choose any Binary Options broker you
wish. I am U.S. based so I don't have that luxury but I use TradersWay.

They have a browser-based offering a white label of SpotOption's
platform. Since I've done this kind of "automatic button click" in other
contexts, I'm just gonna use AutoHotkey or a small routine I wrote
long ago accessible by Java JNI to click the button when my trigger
system says "go". So some manual setup, but the ultimate trigger
will be fast. The TW implementation of SpotOption does not have
an API, as is the case with many, and it also does not accept
Limit orders. You click, and the momentary price is what it is.

So you should look for a Binary Options broker (there are hundreds)
which have an API and get some software developed.

But I come back again to the most important part, which transforms
this from "gambling" into "professional trading" and that is the
** Analytics ** to support your decisions. You could contact me privately
or whatever, but there are many ways for you to take advantage
of the Binary Options concept (sometimes called Digital Options),
as opposed to the approach of ordinary "analog" Position Trading
which most of us do.

Best would be if you can specify the Option strike with a Limit Order
price, rather than a Market type "do the deal now"; but any form
of automation, and you'll want to run on a stable server Windows
or Linux GUI as you prefer with fast network connections.

I found with TradersWay (SpotOptions) browser implementations
from my Home Office, that Chrome, Firefox, Opera would hang
on their streaming quotes. We have a Linux/Centos/Gnome dedicated
box in Germany so I put it on there using Firefox, and Rock Solid
with perhaps 3-4 strike price quotes per second streaming in.
So data center quality networking you'll want. You can just access
your remote machine's user interface via VNC or RDP (for Windows
server). Automation beyond that, and how much you want to pay
for software and/or customization is up to you ! :)

So next time you blame your browser, it could just be your
Router/Modem and a good server setup with remote access
is a great deal these days. I think they call it "cloud computing" :) LOL

I can recommend http://HostEurope.ch (or .de) for Linux and Windows Server hosting,
but get a dedicated box since many of the cheapest VPS systems are not
good enough. Lots of good providers of cloud boxes.

In the U.S. a good provider is http://www.vpswebserver.com for
Windows server with guaranteed performance.

Scrounge around definitely read Mike's blog and reviews
and avoid "the Black List" of crooked brokers. Buyer beware
in this "emerging" area of Forex Binary Options. Check reviews and
choose carefully.
http://binaryoptions101.blog.com

Keep your contract sizes low until you see whether your Analytic
methods are up to the task... Risk modulation is the key to
survival, but you know all that, right ? :)

No commissions, the Losers pay your commission and the House
always keeps plenty for itself, which causes the 60%-80% payout rates
to fluctuate dynamically. They are also "in it for the money", just like us !! :)
As for spreads Bid/Ask not sure, but I think they use a "price" which
is perhaps a midpoint of the B/A or somewhere close enough anyway
as far as I've observed so far, but could be anything, broker specific.

I am just learning about this, and will investigate in depth a lot more
like trying to track their quoted prices, through Browser internal
"scraping" and comparing it against other price feeds, but those are
just details, all in good time. But pricing precision has been my obsession
for many years, so if you strike without delay and have a decent
Binary Options broker you'll get a fair price on your deal it appears.
Never trust Demo, always do Live trades for "the truth".

I use specialized "snap triggering" where the Market deflects a
defined amount or "pullback" and then I will trigger an entry.
Don't try to pull the trigger entirely manually if you can avoid it,
unless you're choosing like 5 minutes from now. But if you are
hitting the 30-60 second timeframes, my specialty, then you'll
need super fast specialist software to trigger your entries.

Other factors to consider, since I advocate "incremental exposure
control" is to enter multiple "deals" at differing prices and exposure
levels, as opposed to an "all in" deal which most traders use,
unwisely in my view.

I think they have some Reuters price feeds, but that's all I know
right now.

HyperScalper

Thanks but, given that the risk:reward is always > 1:1 I do not see how I can make money long term trading this instrument. The win ratio would have to be 70% or better to make money. Which is unrealistic.

Good luck and thanks for your posts!
 
If you want to leave your Introducing Broker at IB, you should be able to do that by simply Unlinking your account. You should not have to create a new one.

Bob

Interactive Brokers are not keen on this, presumably because they do not want to mess up their relationship with ProRealTime, the charting provider who "introduced" me.
 
I'm trying to get into trading full time as well since the job market is never going to improve. The scary thing is supposedly 99% of people fail, and everybody I know (about 50 people) has also failed. I'm glad I found this forum because it seems the 1% of success stories are all here. Looking forward to learning from y'all!
 
Tha


Thanks but, given that the risk:reward is always > 1:1 I do not see how I can make money long term trading this instrument. The win ratio would have to be 70% or better to make money. Which is unrealistic.

Good luck and thanks for your posts!

Yes, with the "up/down" simple "flip a coin" type of binaries
returns are typically 70% of the amount at risk. Analytics which has
only an efficiency equal to "guessing" will lose, as the house has
an advantage. But it is possible to use a number of factors which
stack the odds in our favor.

I restrict my remarks to Forex underlyings, where I have Analytics.
I've been able to do a considerable amount of NADEX scalping on
their 5 minutes, and there's a Reward:Risk ratio which can be
much more appealing. Up to about 8:1 or so...
Beyond that, NADEX options need
not be held through the period of uncertainty which precedes
expiration, and can be liquidated early for profit, or for
defensive protection.

So, with NADEX having a floor price of $0 and ceiling price of $100,
a CALL (or Buy of the Option statement) at $30 Risks $30 for
a Reward of $70, if held to expiration.

Alternatively, the real professionals do NOT hold until expiration and
so they would tend to scalp the "long" at $30 against perhaps a
sale of $60 or more. Holding in the 5 minute options beyond the
4 minute mark is not for the faint of heart :)

But, as in all trading, when Analytics and Technique provide
sufficient edge, these Binaries can be an excellent choice.
NADEX options are a bit of hard work, as compared with the
simpler "foreign" type options, but the complexity exists for
a reason, which the professional with appropriate analytics
can exploit.

HyperScalper
 
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