Under the shadow of the Iraq war, Israel practices asassination....

Quote from ARogueTrader:

You don't have to say anything about Hannity. You both read from the same play-book.

Was Eliot Ness at "War" with Al Capone?

Israel is in an emotionally based conflict with Hamas, does that meet the commonly understood use of the word war as it relates to one nation versus another nation?

So Hamas is emotional. How does Israel respond? Emotionally. What happens when you pour emotion on emotion, do the flames die down or rise higher?

Did the British government consider themselves in a war with the IRA in Ireland, similar to their war with Germany in WWII?

Israel needs to justify their behavior, because the behavior requires justification.

The Zionists has been in survival consciousness long before the state of Israel came to be in 1948, so it is not unusual that they act out of this mentally disturbed condition.

It is this survival mentality that clouds judgment, and leads to excessive emotionalism.


This is getting truly hilarious.

"Survival consciousness" is now degraded to a "mentally disturbed condition"? Those wacky Israelis! :)

"Israel needs to justify their behavior, because the behavior requires justification."

Well, if responding to a group that proclaims no negotiation with you is possible and that they will be satisfied with no less than the exterminating you -- and has acted on their threat -- I'd probably guess that responding in kind and exterminating them first falls within the bounds of "justification". '
 
Quote from ARogueTrader:

When it comes to behavior that impacts other people, I try to use reason and avoid emotionalism and "feelings."


But what lies at the core? How do you value that impact? Feelings.
 
If a woman gets married, and is beaten by her husband....

Then leaves him, and goes to another man who beats her....

Then leaves him, and goes to another man who beats her....

Is she an innocent victim?

The myth that Israel and the Israeli movement is an example of an innocent victim is just that, a myth.

I didn't mention the Holocaust, because it is implied these days.
That it impacts their mindset is a given, but it is not a sign of mental health to be impacted in present time by past events...especially when those events did not touch you directly.

You see this in the typical black and white, US versus THEM, Victim versus perpetrator mode that is common among the unsophisticated.


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So let me get this straight: Israel is "mentally disturbed for having a survivalist mentality" even though globally funded terrorist groups have been bent on its annihilation for decades, have the potential to eventually acquire nuclear weapons, have already killed hundreds of Israeli civilians, and thus far show no capacity for logic or reason. And oh yeah, not to mention the Holocaust.

If that scenario doesn't justify a survivalist mentality, what does?

Furthermore, if someone started routinely blowing up your friends and family, forcing you to take extreme measures to stop them, would that somehow qualify you as guilty of "excessive emotionalism?"

And what would Israel need to "justify" if terrorists stopped trying to kill them?

Are we living on the same planet?
 
Quote from darkhorse:

Tolerance of evil for the sake of high mindedness is no virtue.

In your effort to remain above the fray, you render yourself morally handicapped; hence your willingness to suggest that child suicide bombers are somehow a credible "alternative," and your unwillingness to recognize the difference between a country that wants to protect its people and a hate group whose entire ideology is based on murder.

You are a philosopher king in the tradition of Plato who would rather argue to win for the sake of personal stimulation, with no true feeling or emotion for what you are actually saying. Being empty yourself, it is natural for you to regard others as lesser animals- especially others gauche enough to have passion alongside their convictions.

No, for you ART, lofty detachment and a Kerryesque ability to see an issue from all sides is the highest calling, even if it never means taking a stand of any value.

Your wisdom is chaff, your contributions empty and pointless. Scripture would recognize you as lukewarm, and Ayn Rand would recognize you as well. You would have no doubt been a devoted student of the professor at the party.

Some will disagree with me but others know it's all true. By all means, continue sharing opinions for which you have no real conviction and spouting platitudes that have no real value.

This correctly focuses on the essentials. It is also why (despite my having to weed through second-handed quotes by him via others' replies) I had the poster that darkhorse responded to on ignore within a few days of my first encounter with him.

But I'll say again, to cast both sides as equally culpable, as if this is a "he said, she said" for which a broad brush obliterating any moral clarity is disguised itself as moral clarity is the same fundamental error of treating food and poison equally. It is the province of the dishonest or the insane. Everyone knows that food doesn't need poison; but that poison, to be accepted by any sane person, must disguise itself as food to be ingested.

The same is true of ideas--those that nourish, those that clarify, versus those that poison, those that muddle. The latter includes those postured cleverly "above the fray" that attempt to depict food and poison as mere equivalents, mere opposite sides of the same coin (as if the "coin" was the essential), and thus deserving of the same respect or abhorrence, with no means for people who value Life to decide which.

Such a malicious philosophy is the province of ideologically bankrupt college professors. It is the province of the Charles Mansons and the Ingrid Newkirks of the world.

And why he and others of his ilk continue to populate my Ignore List.
 
People in this country are dying from food filled with poisons.

A slow, obese death no doubt, but from a nutritional perspective, death from poison none the less.

It takes a working intellect to see what lies beneath the surface of shallow dogmatic self righteous belief systems.

Quote from rgelite:

This correctly focuses on the essentials. It is also why (despite my having to weed through quotes by him) I had this poster on ignore within a few days of my first encounter with him.

But I'll say again, to cast both sides as equally culpable, as if this is a "he said, she said" for which a broad brush obliterating any moral clarity is disguised itself as moral clarity is the same fundamental error of treating food and poison equally. It is the province of the dishonest or the insane. Everyone knows that food doesn't need poison; but that poison, to be accepted by any sane person, must disguise itself as food to be ingested.

The same is true of ideas--those that nourish, those that clarify, versus those that poison, those that muddle. The latter includes those postured cleverly "above the fray" that attempt to depict food and poison as mere equivalents, mere opposite sides of the same coin (as if the "coin" was the essential), and thus deserving of the same respect or abhorence, with no means for people who value Life to decide which. It is the province of ideologically bankrupt college professors. It is the province of the Charles Mansons and the Ingrid Newkirks of the world.

And why he and others of his ilk continue to populate my Ignore List.
 
Quote from ARogueTrader:

You can't kill an idea with military means. You won't stop a cause by assisination of the leaders of that cause.

No, but you can create obstacles for these terrorists!
 
Quote from darkhorse:

Tolerance of evil for the sake of high mindedness is no virtue.



darkhorse, well phrased, couldn't have used better words. My thoughts exactly, couldn't agree with you more.
 
And that's exactly how the most absurd of ideas gain a currency in the marketplace of ideas far beyond anything they are actually worth from a 'common sense' assessment. Oh well, I'm outta here.
 
Quote from ARogueTrader:

You can't kill an idea with military means. You won't stop a cause by assisination of the leaders of that cause.

You can disrupt a campaign of suicide bombing by killing its promoters, organizers, and its chief philosophers.

ART wants to rub a terrorist master's cock.
 
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