Under the shadow of the Iraq war, Israel practices asassination....

[50 cent]

Quote from ARogueTrader:

I have no position, except that both sides are wrong,

You claim to have no position but your position is clearly evident by your phrasing and your arguments.

We can clearly see which side you have taken, the only one who still can't clearly admit it is you! Read your own posts... israel assassinates under shadows... israel are "wild eyed crazies" while hamas simply has no choice.. and you really expect us to then assume that "you don't have a position"?

Your position is very clear and let me be the one to should "the king is naked" here: you support terror. and you use democracy (the regime which terror does its best to fight) to spread your word. and then you deny your own position.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from resinate:



A nation entitles something to lose, which gives force its leverage. What do you have to lose when you see yourself as occupied?

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For most normal people, a hell of a lot.

Listening to you people you'd think the palestinians are the first people ever to be "occupied". Funny, I seem to know of a lot of others, yet I'm racking my brains to recall an instance where the "only alternative" available to the populace was the suicide bombing of innocents.

 

[darkhorse]

Quote from ARogueTrader:


If civilization is to continue, civilized behavior is required.

I repeat, tolerance in the face of evil is no virtue.

If civilization is to continue, we must have the moral clarity and the courage of conviction to stand up for what is right, to make hard choices, and to recognize the realities of hard situations. Empty platitudes are no help in this.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from darkhorse:

Tolerance of evil for the sake of high mindedness is no virtue.

In your effort to remain above the fray, you render yourself morally handicapped; hence your willingness to suggest that child suicide bombers are somehow a credible "alternative," and your unwillingness to recognize the difference between a country that wants to protect its people and a hate group whose entire ideology is based on murder.

You are a philosopher king in the tradition of Plato who would rather argue to win for the sake of personal stimulation, with no true feeling or emotion for what you are actually saying. Being empty yourself, it is natural for you to regard others as lesser animals- especially others gauche enough to have passion alongside their convictions.

No, for you ART, lofty detachment and a Kerryesque ability to see an issue from all sides is the highest calling, even if it never means taking a stand of any value.

Your wisdom is chaff, your contributions empty and pointless. Scripture would recognize you as lukewarm, and Ayn Rand would recognize you as well. You would have no doubt been a devoted student of the professor at the party.

Some will disagree with me but others know it's all true. By all means, continue sharing opinions for which you have no real conviction and spouting platitudes that have no real value.

My feelings exactly.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from darkhorse:

I repeat, tolerance in the face of evil is no virtue.

If civilization is to continue, we must have the moral clarity and the courage of conviction to stand up for what is right, to make hard choices, and to recognize the realities of hard situations. Empty platitudes are no help in this.

Lol, exactly. "If civilization is to continue, civilized behavior is required" is fine. And nobody would really challenge this, but, in this instance, what the hell does it actually mean? What is the hell is your point? If you have one, I think it's high time you began making it.

 

[ARogueTrader]

You don't have to say anything about Hannity. You both read from the same play-book.

Was Eliot Ness at "War" with Al Capone?

Israel is in an emotionally based conflict with Hamas, does that meet the commonly understood use of the word war as it relates to one nation versus another nation?

So Hamas is emotional. How does Israel respond? Emotionally. What happens when you pour emotion on emotion, do the flames die down or rise higher?

Did the British government consider themselves in a war with the IRA in Ireland, similar to their war with Germany in WWII?

Israel needs to justify their behavior, because the behavior requires justification.

The Zionists has been in survival consciousness long before the state of Israel came to be in 1948, so it is not unusual that they act out of this mentally disturbed condition.

It is this survival mentality that clouds judgment, and leads to excessive emotionalism.

Quote from darkhorse:

I've never read anything by Sean Hannity.

Again I ask, is Israel or is Israel not at war with Hamas?

Let's say you are the president of a small country. A neighboring faction has declared it their ultimate goal to destroy your country by any means, at any cost. This faction is funded by sources all over the world, and has the potential if not the immediate means to eventually acquire nuclear arms.

How, by any stretch of the imagination, can you not consider that a legitimate war scenario?

And what does it have to do with religion on Israel's side? Heck, what does it even have to do with religion on Hamas' side? According to many scholars, suicide bombings are not justified by Islam.

Israel is at war, and they are not attempting to use the Talmud to justify their actions in self defense. How could that not be any more clear?

 

[ARogueTrader]

Yes......feelings......exactly.

Quote from spect8or:

My feelings exactly.

 

[spect8or]

Quote from ARogueTrader:

Yes......feelings......exactly.

And you are motivated by something other than?

 

[ARogueTrader]

When it comes to behavior that impacts other people, I try to use reason and avoid emotionalism and "feelings."

Quote from spect8or:

And you are motivated by something other than?

 

[darkhorse]

Quote from ARogueTrader:


The Zionists has been in survival consciousness long before the state of Israel came to be in 1948, so it is not unusual that they act out of this mentally disturbed condition.

It is this survival mentality that clouds judgment, and leads to excessive emotionalism.

So let me get this straight: Israel is "mentally disturbed for having a survivalist mentality" even though globally funded terrorist groups have been bent on its annihilation for decades, have the potential to eventually acquire nuclear weapons, have already killed hundreds of Israeli civilians, and thus far show no capacity for logic or reason. And oh yeah, not to mention the Holocaust.

If that scenario doesn't justify a survivalist mentality, what does?

Furthermore, if someone started routinely blowing up your friends and family, forcing you to take extreme measures to stop them, would that somehow qualify you as guilty of "excessive emotionalism?"

And what would Israelis need to "justify" if terrorists stopped trying to kill them?

Are we living on the same planet?