Uncompromising Men

[Nine_Ender]

Over the years there has been a consistent pattern of Democrats opposing transparency or antifraud measures concerning voting. Whether it is requiring IDs, purging voter rolls, or actually creating roadblocks in transparency as seen in PA, it sure does seem like Democrats are well coordinated and have an ulterior motive.

Further, it seems astonishing that Democrats can keep winning giving their history of not representing their constituents or solving problems.

The media is a powerful thing. Or is it extra ballots a powerful thing?

You're posting complete horseshit now making you no better then the Corky's and Buy1Sell2's of the world. The whole world is wondering why Trump even came close to winning. Why are you so oblivious to this reality ? Trump was a terrible President on any objective measure and a negative influence on the global community.

 

[BeautifulStranger]

There is no fraud. Show me some evidence. Why is this even a topic, I don't remember the Democrats in 2016 claiming fraud. Oh yes, we know why it's a topic, Trump and some of his cult followers have been declaring fraud for months before even one vote was counted.

To be blunt here, when Americans pander to this conspiracy bs in numbers you become the laughing stock of the world. Why is it countries like Canada, for example, can run elections, change parties, count votes with NONE of this drama in many decades ?

I'm not surprised though because even deaths due to Covid, an easily verifiable event ( dead is dead ), some of you are still debating if it's real or just some normal amount of illness and deaths due to a flu. I'm also not surprised that Trump's go to move is to whine, deny reality, and get his team of lawyers to try to rewrite reality. It's how he deals with his failed businesses.

Get a grip, seriously, time to move on from this foolishness.

For all the posts and memes that suggested Trump supporters are stupid, crazy, and butthurt by the Left, almost none address the multiple indicators of election fraud. I have seen no posts that provided a sound explaination for the various anomalies that more and more sources are pointing out.

Trump does seem unstable while Biden does seem to have some cognitive deficiencies. However, if indeed leaders of both parties got together and made a deal to oust Trump by any means necessary, which may have included rigging the election, then we no longer have a Government “Of the people, by the people, and for the people”. Democracy will have died in the United States. Nancy Pelosi did put forth a bill that addressed procedures to deal with a President who appears to have competency issues. As a practical matter, removing a very popular President, at least in supporter’s eyes, for reasons of mental incompentency would be risky indeed, even with the broad support of Republican leadership.

I like to believe honesty and transparency are the best policiy. However, so much dirty dealing and dishonesty in our media and by our politicians have created such division and an environmemt of mistrust that it seems dishonesty and opaqueness in process of government are now self perpetuating.

If it is indeed the case the election was rigged against Trump because of “National security” concerns, we the people are “Owed” reforms in media accountability, election integrity, and transparency as well as ethics in government. No more selective enforcement of the law, perjury traps, maintaining conflicts of interest, or excessive partisanship.

Remember, Trump was supposed to be our reformer of the Swamp. Instead, it seems like he is in the process of being ousted by the Swamp, against our established voting system.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Perhaps they were collected, fraudulently filled out and submitted, no matching signatures or proof of identity required. As profound as that statement is, we assume it’s not the case but we can’t prove or disprove it. We should be able to verify the authenticity of every vote but the process we are using prohibits that.

This goes directly to the sanctity of the vote, something the left is always clamoring about. Well, the vote is of upmost importance or it isn't. You can't argue that the vote is so fucking precious and then not care enough to verify who voted and where it came from.
Again, voter fraud does not have to be widespread to be very effective in a close election, it only needs to be well targeted. We have millions upon millions of votes being counted in these states and razor thin margins of victory. A few hundred here, a few hundred there and viola, you got yourself a winner. Until they can come up with a system that cannot be scammed it should be all in person, no ID, no can vote. Anyone doesn't like that cannot then whine about the sanctity of the vote.

 

[Tsing Tao]

The whole world is wondering why Trump even came close to winning.

This is a serious overstatement. Many people, including many people on your side of the aisle, are all too aware of why Trump came so close to winning. It is the same reason he was elected in the first place.

For someone with a Mensa IQ level, I don't get how you cannot fathom this.

 

[BeautifulStranger]

GOP are distancing themselves because they know he lost and he no longer has any power over them....watch them slowly step away and turn their backs on them because they know they need to cover their own asses and maintain the Senate and fight get the House in 2 years.

GOP distancing themselves? Interesting characterization. And they know they need to cover their asses? You a mind reader?

It is simple, the anomalies get explained without a court battle or a court battle takes place, possibly all the way to the Supreme Court, in order to assess if fraud likely occured and apply remedies as appropriate. If there is a mutual pack between Democrats and Republicans to oust Trump, I presume the Supreme Court will end it for him.

Care for a banana?

 

[Nine_Ender]

For all the posts and memes that suggested Trump supporters are stupid, crazy, and butthurt by the Left, almost none address the multiple indicators of election fraud. I have seen no posts that provided a sound explaination for the various anomalies that more and more sources are pointing out.

Trump does seem unstable while Biden does seem to have some cognitive deficiencies. However, if indeed leaders of both parties got together and made a deal to oust Trump by any means necessary, which may have included rigging the election, then we no longer have a Government “Of the people, by the people, and for the people”. Democracy will have died in the United States. Nancy Pelosi did put forth a bill that addressed procedures to deal with a President who appears to have competency issues. As a practical matter, removing a very popular President, at least in supporter’s eyes, for reasons of mental incompentency would be risky indeed, even with the broad support of Republican leadership.

I like to believe honesty and transparency are the best policiy. However, so much dirty dealing and dishonesty in our media and by our politicians have created such division and an environmemt of mistrust that it seems dishonesty and opaqueness in process of government are now self perpetuating.

If it is indeed the case the election was rigged against Trump because of “National security” concerns, we the people are “Owed” reforms in media accountability, election integrity, and transparency as well as ethics in government. No more selective enforcement of the law, perjury traps, maintaining conflicts of interest, or excessive partisanship.

Remember, Trump was supposed to be our reformer of the Swamp. Instead, it seems like he is in the process of being ousted by the Swamp, against our established voting system.

There is no election fraud at this point. You have not one speck of evidence that there is. All you've done with your "anomalies" talk is point out that data analysis is not a skill you have. Even on a common sense level, everyone knew that Democrats preferred voting by mail and Republicans in person ( due in part to Trump's pre-election rhetoric that mail-in ballots were a fraud, despite the fact he himself has voted in that way in the past ).

The actual vote patterns are as one would expect, now that we know the mail-in ballots were counted last in numerous states.

 

[Tsing Tao]

GOP distancing themselves? Interesting characterization. And they know they need to cover their asses? You a mind reader?

It is simple, the anomalies get explained without a court battle or a court battle takes place, possibly all the way to the Supreme Court, in order to assess if fraud likely occured and apply remedies as appropriate. If there is a mutual pack between Democrats and Republicans to oust Trump, I presume the Supreme Court will end it for him.

Care for a banana?

89 is right, the GOP is distancing themselves. They're not stupid. Both democrats and republicans want Trump out. Hell, the world wants him out. The exception are the Americans that voted for him. That's it.

 

[FortuneTeller]

There is no election fraud at this point. You have not one speck of evidence that there is. All you've done with your "anomalies" talk is point out that data analysis is not a skill you have. Even on a common sense level, everyone knew that Democrats preferred voting by mail and Republicans in person ( due in part to Trump's pre-election rhetoric that mail-in ballots were a fraud, despite the fact he himself has voted in that way in the past ).

The actual vote patterns are as one would expect, now that we know the mail-in ballots were counted last in numerous states.

Yeah, and the Dems have never cheated anywhere for any reason. They are like nice little choir boys, all innocent and stuff. Duh.

 

[Wallet]

And therein lies the rub with mail in voting. The only way to affirm that the person who voted was entitled to do so is the "signature match". I'm not sure how you sign your checks, but my signature looks like someone gave a sharpee to a doberman.

When I voted, in person, in Florida I was asked to show my driver's license. I did, I got my ballot. I cast my ballot.

Not completely fool proof but pretty damned secure.

In Oklahoma all mail-ballots must be notarized. It’s free, against the law for a notary to charge for the service, and many places have the service set up and advertise it.

I’ve mentioned this before on these boards only to have the usual libs dismiss it as “making it to difficult, blah blah blah. But it eliminates most of what we see happening.

Here you simply request from your country election board an absentee ballot. It’s mailed to your address on file. This starts about a month before the election, plenty of time. It is up to the voter to make sure their notarized ballot is received by the election board either by mail or drop off 3 working days prior to the election. If it’s late it does not count. There are certain exceptions fir military abroad. Everyone knows this as it is repeated on the local news adnausium. You can check with your election board or online ensuring they received your ballot.

Once it’s received you name is removed from the voter list in your precinct.

Everyone who shows up at the poll to vote, their name on the voter roll is matched with the voters ID, either picture or a free voter registration card provided by your local election board and the voter signs their name on the list. If they voted early the name will not appear on the list.

If you show up and your name is not found you may cast a provisional ballot along with your information. As long as you are registered in the precinct and did not submit an accepted absentee ballot or vote in-person early, it will be counted once verified.

There are early in-person voting sites the week before to the same three days prior to an election. There again your name is removed once you vote.

Very simple, everyone gets one vote, the identity of each voter identified. And no one here bitches about election fraud.

 

[FortuneTeller]

89 is right, the GOP is distancing themselves. They're not stupid. Both democrats and republicans want Trump out. Hell, the world wants him out. The exception are the Americans that voted for him. That's it.

Fuck what the rest of the world wants!