Ukraine. Please comment.

[Van_der_Voort_4]

The facts do not matter in 'western' media who stick to whatever story they are told to produce.

More Evidence That Ukraine Fired The Missile which Killed Dozens In Kramatorsk

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/...issile-which-killed-dozens-in-kramatorsk.html

 

[ph1l]

The facts do not matter in 'western' media who stick to whatever story they are told to produce.

More Evidence That Ukraine Fired The Missile which Killed Dozens In Kramatorsk

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/...issile-which-killed-dozens-in-kramatorsk.html

The link has

Russia no longer has Tochka missiles (search for Tochka in the pdf)

But
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka#2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

On 8 April 2022, the railway station in Kramatorsk under Ukrainian control was hit by 2 Tochka-U ballistic missiles. The attack killed at least 52 civilians and injured at least 87 more. At first, Russian media said it had hit a Ukrainian military target. Later, Russia falsely blamed Ukraine for the strike. The message in Russian "Za detei", meaning for or on behalf of the children, had been daubed on the missile in white.[34][35][36][37][38][39]

So, Russia first claims it made the hit, then walks back on the claim after everyone noted it was on a civilian target.

 

[Van_der_Voort_4]

The link has

But
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka#2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine


So, Russia first claims it made the hit, then walks back on the claim after everyone noted it was on a civilian target.

from your wiki page

On 24 February 2022, a 9M79 Tochka missile was used by Russian forces striking near a hospital building in Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, killing 4 civilians and wounding 10. Amnesty International investigation confirmed that a hospital was targeted, not a military target.[30]

• On 14 March 2022, the Russian Federation and the government of the separatist Donetsk People Republic blamed Ukrainian forces of launching a Tochka-U missile killing 23 civilians and wounding 28 in Donetsk.[31]The housing facility was supposedly used as a barracks for Separatists forces.[32]

Russians shoot it's called it was used, ukies shoot it's called blamed - to me this seems one sides,not objective to make my conclusions

some links about Ukraine

Former Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov has told Russian television channel IZ.RU that current President Volodymyr Zelensky is ‘up to elbows in blood.’

Azarov was Prime Minister of Ukraine from 2010 to 2014. He is currently living in Moscow where he has led a Ukrainian pro-Russian government in exile since 2015.

Transcript of interview:

The Kiev regime was similar to the numerous Latin American dictatorships that the US imposed in the last century. They had death squads, dissidents were killed in the open, political parties and channels were banned, other forms of media.

And that was before the conflict [with Russia].

Once the conflict began, they decided now their hands are untied to exist in complete lawlessness.

For example,Member of Parliament Denis Kireev, who was party to the first negotiations with Russia, they simply shot him afterward and threw his body in the street.

Just like that, the SBU [ie. Ukraine Security Service], arrested him, without any reason, and as part of what may have been torture, they shot him in the head and threw the body outside in front of the Pichersky Court. This is in the centre of Kiev.

So when Zelensky performs in parliaments of various countries, where they applaud him – what if we asked those MPs – Italian, German – those who applaud, ‘Is it normal for an MP to be shot without trial or investigation, and the body discarded?’

Everyone is arrested right now, politicians, political scientists and journalists, who were against the [Zelensky] regime. Elena Berezhnaya, a well-known human rights activist is also arrested. She was probably one of the only Ukrainian activists who wasn’t afraid of the regime. She spoke in various countries’ parliaments, telling them about Nazism in Ukraine. She spoke at the UN, Bundestag, OSCE. Despite her publicity, the SBU simply arrested her too and now she’s in a detention centre.

Journalist Anna German, formerly of Radio Svoboda, together with her husband, are arrested. Her husband has no connection to politics or journalism – why did they take him? For company?

No one [in the West] says anything about this, as if it’s totally normal. Arrested are also journalists Yuri Dudkin, Dmitry Djangirov, I can go on – those who had time to run away, they went abroad. Those who didn’t are now in prison.

The EU parliament doesn’t care. Zelensky is elbow-deep in blood, because the military utilises civilians as hostages, on his command. That’s why casualties are so high among civilians.

https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/world/zelensky-is-up-to-his-elbows-in-blood-former-ukrainian-pm-speaks-out/


The Ukrainians have made it absolutely clear that nothing is beneath them,including the massacres of civilians for nothing more than propaganda
http://acabpolicestate.weebly.com/fascism-in-europe-ukraine.html

(From link above i can't view these videos anymore,i reside in Nato member country, censorship full speed ahead)

Article from Moon of Alabama i linked to has long list of comments with details about that specific incident at railroad station in Kramatorsk.
I don't post to convince you or change your opinion,read it if you find it interesting.

I have an opinion about what Risk/Reward Russia is doing,i keep that to myself

 

[misterkel]

The link has

But
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka#2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine


Where did Russia claim credit for the attack? I couldn't find that in your link. Was it edited?



So, Russia first claims it made the hit, then walks back on the claim after everyone noted it was on a civilian target.

 

[misterkel]

It will get worse as population and especially consumption continue to rise while resources production flattens or declines.

Population growth is stalling and beginning to reverse on its own.
And that's before the unspeakable agenda of depop that is becoming clear to most of us.

 

[Van_der_Voort_4]

Sunday familly meeting in Ukraine

 

[Bugenhagen]

Population growth is stalling and beginning to reverse on its own.
And that's before the unspeakable agenda of depop that is becoming clear to most of us.

Can we depoop the ones who believe in depop before the shim hits the sham?

Most of us being most of the voices in your head.

I would totally go for mass exterminations of conspiracy theorists, they want it and their dead weight removed we would reach the stars in no time. Win win.

 

[Ricter]

Population growth is stalling and beginning to reverse on its own.
And that's before the unspeakable agenda of depop that is becoming clear to most of us.

While the rate of population increase has slowed, and that's good, population is still growing and is expected to exceed 10 billion by mid-century.

But that number is only half the story. What really matter is: population x consumption = population pressure. Everyone is trying to increase their standard of living. The poor deserve to do so. Even at today's level of population pressure our annual rate is far in excess of what Earth replenishes annually.

There is no "depop agenda"--no need to get kooky, the predicament is extreme enough--but if there was I'd expect the Jewish space laser to be part of it.

 

[misterkel]

Can we depoop the ones who believe in depop before the shim hits the sham?

Most of us being most of the voices in your head.

I would totally go for mass exterminations of conspiracy theorists, they want it and their dead weight removed we would reach the stars in no time. Win win.

All right - you keep yourself 'safe' with the 4th or 5th booster and I'll not do so. We'll see who gets the most Covid.
I adore your smug mainstream arrogance, btw. Cute.

 

[misterkel]

While the rate of population increase has slowed, and that's good, population is still growing and is expected to exceed 10 billion by mid-century.

But that number is only half the story. What really matter is: population x consumption = population pressure. Everyone is trying to increase their standard of living. The poor deserve to do so. Even at today's level of population pressure our annual rate is far in excess of what Earth replenishes annually.

There is no "depop agenda"--no need to get kooky, the predicament is extreme enough--but if there was I'd expect the Jewish space laser to be part of it.

No, of course not. Nothing to see here.
Move along. CNN denied it, so it can't be true, right?
What I love is how so many libs actually WANT a depopulation and deny that such a plan is even possible.
Hitler actually attempted it, btw. So now anyone knows to keep it secret. DUh.