(UK) Bankers face 10-year delay on bonuses

Quote from Visaria:

I totally agree with the idea of deferred compensation. 10 years sounds fine to me. About time people remembered that these companies should be run for the benefit of their owners, the shareholders and not their employees.

it is the same issue of corporate governance on both sides of the ocean. the board of directors rubber stamps management decisions. the interest of shareholders and management are not in sync. look at GM, for years upper management got high salaries while making sweetheart deals with big unions. then bankruptcy and bailouts by the public.
 
Quote from atticus:

The number is meaningless (traders who operate lawfully) as the UBS scandal was >$2.3B and was roughly equal to their bonus pool last year. How about Drew and Iksil at Chase at $7B. Drew walked away with >$50MM in comp and Iksil was paid about $15MM over the two years he was decimating Chase with the CDS trading.

Kerviel cost SG a multiple of their bonus pool. There is no method by which to claw-back the bonus other than deferred comp. Stop talking out of your ass.

So true. When you hear them, it's always: "Trading is the perfect game, I eat what I kill, darwinism at its finest..." until they blow up, get fired and ...start over again somewhere else... with years of undue compensation in their luggage...
 
How about drawing clear lines between commercial and investment banking? Oh wait, that was tried and there wasn't as much money to be made! :D
 
This is a great idea.

Bankers and traders are great at maximizing their own comp. 10 years puts them inline with the shareholders, whose money they are using.

The system has no incentive to change without outside intervention because everyone in the command chain is optimizing 1-3 year payouts.

We need more "long term greedy"
 
Quote from ballsofgold:

hi Sheda,
I agree with you but I think you are misunderstanding atticus' point. The legislation at the end of the day, regardless of where the actual pitfalls occured in each individual case, is to target general mass as a first line defense.

I think I understand his point but if someone is going to go psycho trader they still have the ability to do it, just because the motivation of a bonus is out of the way does not stop the unlikely event of some capitalist hating eco warrior prepared to put in the time then do the time for bringing down a bank.

So while we see headlines such as "London 'risk takers' to be hit by EU bank bonus cap" with the intent of capping bonus to that of salary amounts we now also see the intent to stop them from getting it for a decade. What banker would be attracted to europe, fuck them, we say, just dont go mentioning another tool of mass financial saftey around here, things like the ftt happen to have personal impact :lol:.
 
Quote from sheda:

I think I understand his point but if someone is going to go psycho trader they still have the ability to do it, just because the motivation of a bonus is out of the way does not stop the unlikely event of some capitalist hating eco warrior prepared to put in the time then do the time for bringing down a bank.

because most of the time these size risks cannot be put on without complicity by many many people. It takes years and hundreds of approvals (explicit or tacit) to get the risk on to be this devastating.
 
Quote from piezoe:

How about drawing clear lines between commercial and investment banking? Oh wait, that was tried and there wasn't as much money to be made! :D


seems like this should be the very the first step.
but since the bankers buy the politicians in the US we wind up with dodge bank - I mean dodd and frank.
 
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