U.S. Kids Keep Getting Dumber; Ranked 31st Of 35 Developed Nations In Math, New Study Reveals

[gwb-trading]

Actually, nothing that you are stating is credible at all. You seem to lack the critical thinking needed to understand your sources, what they are saying, and the limitations of what it means. Toronto is the #1 destination for recent immigrants in Canada. So there will always be some performance issues for that group initially. Despite that reality, our kids as a whole outperform the kids in North Carolina and most if not all US states. The studies are credible and have no political pretense other then roughly evaluate education standards.

Your racist focus on segmenting out black kids and trying to suggest that Toronto is somehow not diverse because it's not black enough for you are disgusting themes. Diversity means so much more then this American bs about blacks vs whites and scapegoating people. Shame on you as a human being going down this route.

Quite seriously, you seem incredibly dense for a man who thinks he's intelligent.

As usual you merely attack and insult people while not dealing with the facts.

Toronto is a diverse school system including a mix of racial groups. It does not have a high concentration of a single race such as white or black. However Toronto is over-represented by Asians as a demographic. Asians are a demographic group that outperform generally in education due to strong family support for education.

As noted in the article, the achievement gap for blacks in the Toronto School System versus any other race is greater than nearly any school system in the U.S.; hence Toronto is failing badly in the education of blacks. Obviously this is an example of Canadian education failing a minority group far worse than school systems in the U.S.

Maybe it is time that you woke up and fixed the problems in education in your own country before flinging nonsense on the strong results in other countries with diverse populations.

 

[jem]

1. I was not attempting to compare anything to Canada. I don't know anything about your school system. If you a have a good one, I am happy. I like it when people live free and happy lives with education and religious freedom.

2. You completely ignorant of how jobs work in America. With respect to law jobs. Over half the people in law school are now women. And women get great jobs out of law school. In terms of getting into to law school... being a white male is not a positive.

My wife is a nurse with and advance degree. She works as the equivalent of a 1st or 2nd year doctor. I have met all sorts of doctors. Doctors who are from schools all over. In the states you can go to medical in other countries and still get very high paying jobs here if you put in the time and want it enough. Many do. I have met them. You can even go to the OD / non real medical type schools and make 400 K a year and be called doctor.

I would say the only significant discriminating I see being done in America for good jobs is being done by democrats and its frequently reverse discrimantion.

in short you rally are blinded by leftist media if you think minorities don't have great access to very high paying jobs in our top fields here. In San Diego, I would say white male doctors born in American are highly underrepresented. But, I have never complained because it looks to me that if you work hard you can be a doctor.

 

[Nine_Ender]

As usual you merely attack and insult people while not dealing with the facts.

Toronto is a diverse school system including a mix of racial groups. It does not have a high concentration of a single race such as white or black. However Toronto is over-represented by Asians as a demographic. Asians are a demographic group that outperform generally in education due to strong family support for education.

As noted in the article, the achievement gap for blacks in the Toronto School System versus any other race is greater than nearly any school system in the U.S.; hence Toronto is failing badly in the education of blacks. Obviously this is an example of Canadian education failing a minority group far worse than school systems in the U.S.

Maybe it is time that you woke up and fixed the problems in education in your own country before flinging nonsense on the strong results in other countries with diverse populations.

The racial overtones of your recent opinions are insulting a lot of people on the planet yet you think we should play nice with you ? And your arrogant habit of thinking you know more about Toronto then I do based on office gossip and random online news articles is absurd. The US will continue to have severe social issues as long as people like you continue to make excuses for your countries policies and behavior and not fix the underlying issues.

 

[fhl]

Mean SAT Scores by Race/Ethnicity, 2015

Group- Critical Reading- Mathematics- Writing
American Indian -481- 482- 460
Asian-American- 525- 598- 531
Black -431- 428- 418
Mexican-American- 448- 457- 438
Puerto Rican -456- 449- 442
Other Hispanic- 449- 457-439
White- 529- 534- 513

 

[gwb-trading]

The racial overtones of your recent opinions are insulting a lot of people on the planet yet you think we should play nice with you ? And your arrogant habit of thinking you know more about Toronto then I do based on office gossip and random online news articles is absurd. The US will continue to have severe social issues as long as people like you continue to make excuses for your countries policies and behavior and not fix the underlying issues.

In regards to all of my posts about Canada I have provided links from the government and media to fully back my assertions. Whether the subject is healthcare, education, or any other topic any reader is free to go back and read my fully documented responses to your false assertions. You have regularly put out insulting and derogatory commentary about the U.S. while making assertions about Canadian superiority based on fabricated information.

I have pointed out both the positive and negative about the Canada and the U.S. in all my fact-based commentary. I recognize that improvement can be made in both countries in regards to healthcare and education.

Measurements of school performance is based on demographic groups. Pointing out the differences in racial performance does not make me a racist, it simply reinforces that I am pointing out the facts based on how student performance is measured. This may be a good time to point out -- once again -- that when directly comparing demographic group to demographic group the K-12 education performance in the U.S. is generally superior to that in Canada based on student achievement and test results.

I have always advocated fixing the underlying issues. The question is what is the best way of addressing the problems. In regards to the education gap, many measures (more money, social promotion, teaching ebonics, common core, getting tough with parents, etc.) have been tried... most have failed. A couple measures that seem to be succeeding is non-profit charter schools in low-income areas and a focus on personal responsibility for students.

 

[fhl]

how americans ranked by race scored on these pisa tests in '12


Overall PISA rankings, including America by race

Here are today's 2012 PISA average scores ranked by the mean across the three subjects. Americans' scores by race are broken out to make the comparisons less misleading. In summary, each race in America appears to average a little better than their racial cousins overseas. (By the way, in the following list, the italicized names refer to non-OECD places):



Country or "Economy" Reading Science Math Mean
OECD average 496 501 494 497
Shanghai-China 570 580 613 587
Singapore 542 551 573 556
Hong Kong-China 545 555 561 554
Asian Americans 550 546 549 548
Korea, Republic of 536 538 554 542
Japan 538 547 536 540
Chinese Taipei 523 523 560 535
Finland 524 545 519 529
Estonia 516 541 521 526
Liechtenstein 516 525 535 525
Massachusetts All Races 527 527 514 523
Macao-China 509 521 538 523
Canada 523 525 518 522
Poland 518 526 518 521
Netherlands 511 522 523 519
Switzerland 509 515 531 518
White Americans 519 528 506 518
Connecticut All Races 521 521 506 516
Vietnam 508 528 511 516
Ireland 523 522 501 516
Germany 508 524 514 515
Australia 512 521 504 512
Belgium 509 505 515 510
New Zealand 512 516 500 509
Multiracial Americans 517 511 492 507
United Kingdom 499 514 494 502
Austria 490 506 506 500
Czech Republic 493 508 499 500
France 505 499 495 500
Slovenia 481 514 501 499
Denmark 496 498 500 498
Norway 504 495 489 496
Latvia 489 502 491 494
United States 498 497 481 492
Luxembourg 488 491 490 490
Spain 488 496 484 490
Italy 490 494 485 490
Portugal 488 489 487 488
Hungary 488 494 477 487
Iceland 483 478 493 484
Lithuania 477 496 479 484
Croatia 485 491 471 482
Sweden 483 485 478 482
Florida All Races 492 485 467 481
Russian Federation 475 486 482 481
Israel 486 470 466 474
Slovak Republic 463 471 482 472
Greece 477 467 453 466
Hispanic Americans 478 462 455 465
Turkey 475 463 448 462
Serbia, Republic of 446 445 449 447
Cyprus 449 438 440 442
United Arab Emirates 442 448 434 441
Bulgaria 436 446 439 440
Romania 438 439 445 440
Thailand 441 444 427 437
Chile 441 445 423 436
African Americans 443 439 421 434
Costa Rica 441 429 407 426
Mexico 424 415 413 417
Kazakhstan 393 425 432 416
Montenegro, Republic of 422 410 410 414
Malaysia 398 420 421 413
Uruguay 411 416 409 412
Brazil 410 405 391 402
Jordan 399 409 386 398
Argentina 396 406 388 397
Tunisia 404 398 388 397
Albania 394 397 394 395
Colombia 403 399 376 393
Indonesia 396 382 375 384
Qatar 388 384 376 383
Peru 384 373 368 375

 

[gwb-trading]

I will note that the PISA test is given every three years with the latest being 2015. It only represents a sampling of students from each country, not all the students.

"The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) is a triennial international survey which aims to evaluate education systems worldwide by testing the skills and knowledge of 15-year-old students.

In 2015 over half a million students, representing 28 million 15-year-olds in 72 countries and economies, took the internationally agreed two-hour test. Students were assessed in science, mathematics, reading, collaborative problem solving and financial literacy.

The results of the 2015 assessment were published on 6th December 2016."

Here is the PISA website for more information:
https://www.oecd.org/pisa/aboutpisa/

 

[fhl]

You're allowed to talk about blacks in this country, provided you're whining about how mistreated they are.

But you're not allowed to discuss how blacks are not pulling their weight in educational test scores or in the give and take of gov't handouts. That would be racist.

And of course the opposite is true when discussing whites. You can only criticize whites.

This scam is going to ruin the country. If it's not already ruined.

 

[LacesOut]

The racial overtones of your recent opinions are insulting a lot of people on the planet yet you think we should play nice with you ? And your arrogant habit of thinking you know more about Toronto then I do based on office gossip and random online news articles is absurd. The US will continue to have severe social issues as long as people like you continue to make excuses for your countries policies and behavior and not fix the underlying issues.

I don't see any issue with GWB posts.
Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

 

[Nine_Ender]

I don't see any issue with GWB posts.
Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

I put him back on ignore; I suppose it really doesn't matter to me if he thinks he's a valuable source of info about Toronto. We benefited from some pretty strong public schools in North York, the same borough that he's harping about the poorer results. So yes, there is some variance, and it's exasperated by the results of the top schools. Streaming of "gifted" students also creates variance.