Turn the caravan around — the US is not a dumping ground

The difference is that the immigrant here is asking if he can come in. I doubt that most "undocumented" immigrants do the same, especially ones in the caravans (I guess if they did, they would be "documented").

The point is this type of nationalism came in waves. However that brown invading the white argument is from a different time.

We have crispr gene editing so you can have any genetic traits you want in a kid (but only the rich can have more than 1.x soon) the planet is kinda running into trouble and artificial intelligence is coming. When the singularity occurs, human history is going to be altered in ways literally unimaginable as we create God with a small g.

So be distracted by Trump bringing the 1850s, 1899s, and so on back. Sure. The Titanic's deckchairs are the important thing right now.
 
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Turn the caravan around — the US is not a dumping ground
By Ned Ryun, opinion contributor — 10/25/18 08:00 AM EDT

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With all of the coverage regarding the Honduran caravan marching toward the U.S. border, it’s time to have a conversation about who we want to be as a country in the future. Not in the distant future, but in the very near future; maybe less than 10 years from now. Because what we decide to do today will set the tone for the next several generations.

Like nails on a chalkboard, we keep hearing Democrats and left-wing activists talk about these desperate immigrants seeking asylum and refuge from dysfunctional societies. We are told that it’s about “humanity first” and that we have a moral obligation to take them in.

However, we should not be fooled by the emotional reactions (and political maneuverings) of those who claim to speak for the caravan. The United States is under zero moral obligations to take citizens from misgoverned countries around the globe.

We are not an escape valve for the breakdown of civil society in Central America, nor are American taxpayers some sort of backstop for the Mexican government that refuses to fulfill its own obligations towards asylum seekers.

It seems that there is the new standard, which puts all of the responsibility on the shoulders of the U.S and no one else in the hemisphere. We are not obligated to accept anyone seeking asylum from anywhere in the world. And we’re not talking about thousands of people; we’re now talking about hundreds of millions.

The United States would become the great dumping ground for the problems of other countries. Countries who don’t have the ability or desire to deal with their problems, so their solution is to offload them on the United States and American taxpayer.

What’s even more insulting about all of this is the billions of foreign aid and taxpayer dollars that have already been sent to these dysfunctional countries over the last eight years.

Now certain segments of the left and the squishy middle think that somehow the taxpayer should be put upon again, despite the fact that we’re already funding some $116 billion annually for the illegals already in the country. If we do not firmly resist this influx of illegal immigrants, our social welfare programs will be at even greater risk than they are now. The significant majority of our federal government’s mandatory spending goes toward social welfare programs and continues to climb yearly.

If we do not stop the current trends, what happens when mass automation hits, throwing many low skilled or unskilled workers out of work?

We cannot afford more of our national wealth being devoted to social programs, nor can we afford the social and civic degradation of tens of millions of people living dependent on others, especially if millions of them are first generation unassimilated immigrants.

Whether we go broke or are Balkanized, we will cease to be a free people. Instead, we will become serfs of the federal government, toiling away to fund the government’s massive obligations.

We are a generous and caring people. We have given much to the world: from helping rescue the world from Nazism, to standing firm against the expansion of communism, to providing the greatest amount of freedom and opportunity to men and women from all over the world.

Not to mention the millions of refugees and immigrants we’ve welcomed — according to legal processes — over the decades.

Because of who we are, we are a beacon of hope around the world. Don’t be fooled, “humanity first” is just a slogan. What the supporters, enablers and apologists of the caravan seek is great numbers of immigrants whom they believe will be beholden to the party of government, the Democrats.

Those who see through this smokescreen believe that “America First” actually offers a better way. We firmly believe that our experiment in self-government, rule of law and free markets requires national sovereignty and secure borders. Our values, our institutions and our future cannot thrive or survive if what makes America exceptional is not safeguarded.

We wish no ill will to other peoples; we simply do not wish for them to become our wards. If the United States was treated more as a model and less as a safety valve for failed states, we’d all be better off.

It is well past time to secure the southern borders, even to the point that we cease foreign aid to all countries that refuse to respect our national sovereignty and show gratitude for our generosity over the decades. If this caravan and others, is the future, there might well come a day when the United States is forced to turn its generous foreign aid into funding for border security. As President Trump has said often, the days of the United States being taken advantage of are over.

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Trump best not cave on this. And he can't leave any room for excuses... like, "The border was overwhelmed, so they got in anyway." If he fails on this, no 2nd term!
 
Trump best not cave on this. And he can't leave any room for excuses... like, "The border was overwhelmed, so they got in anyway." If he fails on this, no 2nd term!


I give him two chances. One, to stop them. Or two if he has many that he has to take due to bullshit American law and then uses that as the basis to change the law after the midterms while the republicans still have a majority in the lameduck session. He can do ballsy things but American law is cutting his balls off at every step.

The caravan types are coming because they know and have been trained to know that if they can step one foot on to american soil, then they automatically enter into a long drawn out game that favors them. They need to be stopped at the border or bounced when and where caught. For starters, Trump and some others are proposing that american law be changed such that amnesty can only be requested at legal ports of entry, so if you come in illegally through the puckerbrush, dont even bother with the amnesty game.

The lefties have to be careful because their little drama at the border may initiate some legal changes, plus the caravan is going to arrive too late to have the crying children being separated on or before election day, so they fucked up there. it's about changing the law. Trump and Neilson have nothing new to work with so they are doomed to fail. Sure, they may repel the caravan, but shit, the equiv of that whole caravan crosses over every week at scattered points of illegal entry.

If the dems take the house- odds are in their favor but who knows- the pubs better get their fingers our their collective arses and change the laws before January or we are permanently fucked.
 
That needs to be stopped too. With extreme force, if necessary!

Trump is not only allowed by the constitution to do that, he is required by the constitution to do that.

He needs to put troops on the whole border, with the agreement that they will be removed when the fence for those sections is completed or other measures in place- in some places that may mean paying bounties to Apaches on horseback and if that works, that's fine. As stated before I am an outcome-oriented kind of guy. Not necessarily a gotta have a wall everywhere guy. But every section needs to have a plan and a wall-equivalent budget to work with.
 
This will be a disaster. They need to be stopped from crossing, period. To let them in and then house them in this way will not be helpful politically or any other way. Can you imagine the shit storm the media will cause with the visuals of this. Alto MF'ers. Warning shot fired. Alto. Rubber bullets, tear gas, and concertina wire at a minimum.


President Donald Trump said Monday on Fox News that he planned to put any members of the migrant caravan who apply for asylum into new “tent cities” that would be “all over the place,” sharpening his recent efforts to politicize the southern border ahead of next month’s midterm elections.

“We’re catching; we’re not releasing,” Trump said in the interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. “So if they want to come over, we’re not even doing that. We’re not letting them into this country. If they apply for asylum, we’re going to hold them until such time as their trial takes place.”

The president said he would order the construction of tent cities that’d be “very nice.” But he said he wouldn’t spend “hundreds of millions of dollars” on “structures” to house anyone detained while awaiting the outcome of an asylum application.

“We’re going to put tents up all over the place,” Trump said, before noting that “they’re going to wait, and, if they don’t get asylum, they’re going to get out.”
 
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the pubs better get their fingers our their collective arses and change the laws before January or we are permanently fucked.

Any changes will be blocked by dems in the Senate. We have two choices here. One, we can go the "principled conservative" route, which is to wring our hands and complain, then silently accept our country being turned into a third world dumping ground. Or two, Trump can protect the border, with military force if necessary, block all asylum requests and tell the courts to fuck off. At the end if the day, no federal court can force the president to admit anyone to the country if he refuses. Some judges may have to be arrested to drive that point home.
 
Any changes will be blocked by dems in the Senate. .

It can be blocked by rinos and unreliable pubs. Otherwise the dems would not be able to block it. I dont think anyway. Maybe if I think about it more when I dont have as many trades on. There are parliamentary gymnastics at the committee levels for sure.
 
Filibuster?

That would take us into discussions about Harry Reid, cloture, nuclear, and so on, and some of that is being made up as we go along. But yes, as I said, their obstruction would be at the parliamentary procedure level.

Let the games begin. Even if the dems take the house, AND THE SENATE TOO, not gonna happen, Trump still has veto power, and he has means of punishing the dems that they might not want to see- especially if/when the court allows daca to end.
 
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