Tucker Carlson has sparked the most interesting debate in conservative politics

Sign of the times.

We have the longest period of economic growth in history yet the working and middle class is stuck and struggling.

Things like healthcare, retirement and college education are really hurting working people. There’s no wage growth and all of the gains are going to the wealthy and investor class.

All of the above is because of conservatism. This is the predicted outcome when you believe wealthy people make jobs and if you just hand over the country to them some miracle will happen and wealth will trickle down to the working people.

It’s horse shit. The truth is all of the things that helped create the middle class were fought for tooth and nail against the wealthy. Social security, minimum wage, right to unionize, ACA, Medicare. The list goes on and on.

As these things get eroded or allowed to bankrupt so does the working class. The so called conservatives can see it too.
An important and well said message. During the depression the labor movement got a tremendous boost. There were many socialists and communists in to forefront of the labor movement at that time. The CIO became the dominate union. Out of that came Social Security, Unemployment Compensation and the WPA. After the war the upper class struck back with the Taft Hartley Act. The WPA was dropped. The McCarthy hearings demonized both socialists and communists, which were lumped together. This ended productive dialog between socialists and capitalists. Medicare was added later. Starting in 1980, supply-side economics was adopted and the progressive structure of income tax brackets was collapsed, unearned income was tax favored over earned. Today most nations that exceed the U.S. in income inequality are totalitarian. This is a situation that guillotines are superbly suited for.
 
Life isn't fair and trying to make it so is a fools errand. Are we living in society overwhelmed with poverty? What is poverty in 21st century America? Talk to someone living a hundred years ago and they would think otherwise. Talk to someone, if we could, from two hundred years ago and they would think we all lived like royalty. The poverty we suffer is not in the material, it is in our lack of gratitude and some sense of entitlement that we somehow deserve to live like Kings.
 
Life isn't fair and trying to make it so is a fools errand. Are we living in society overwhelmed with poverty? What is poverty in 21st century America? Talk to someone living a hundred years ago and they would think otherwise. Talk to someone, if we could, from two hundred years ago and they would think we all lived like royalty. The poverty we suffer is not in the material, it is in our lack of gratitude and some sense of entitlement that we somehow deserve to live like Kings.
Real life in the 21st Century isn't fair. It is a fool errand to think so. On the other hand this is the 21st \century; not the 18th. It makes no sense to use measures from the 18th century to judge the 21st.
 
Real life in the 21st Century isn't fair. It is a fool errand to think so. On the other hand this is the 21st \century; not the 18th. It makes no sense to use measures from the 18th century to judge the 21st.
It's the only way we can measure true progress. And I continue to believe that while our technology advances by leaps and bounds, socially we are barely out of the cave. That is our delemnia
 
Life isn't fair and trying to make it so is a fools errand. Are we living in society overwhelmed with poverty? What is poverty in 21st century America? Talk to someone living a hundred years ago and they would think otherwise. Talk to someone, if we could, from two hundred years ago and they would think we all lived like royalty. The poverty we suffer is not in the material, it is in our lack of gratitude and some sense of entitlement that we somehow deserve to live like Kings.

What kind of ass backwards thinking is this? So sorry about your $5000 health insurance deductible but 200 years ago they didn’t have zippiers so you’re actually lucky. Not.
 
It's interesting to me that health care companies are uniformly slammed as vicious predators who have driven virtuous people to bankruptcy through excessive costs. There is probably some truth to that.

The educational establishment however is never blamed for wrecking people's lives by charging outrageous prices for an inferior product. At least a hospital or wonder drug may save your life. Getting a degree in gender resentment doesn't even qualify you for a job at Starbucks.

The common denominator in both cases is that government "assistance" makes the customer less price sensitive and allows these monopolists to ramp up the charges. Now the chickens have come home to roost as gullible millenials start to realize that those student loans actually have to be paid off with real money. Of course, they want someone else to pay for them.

The obvious solution to the student loan crisis is to force schools to have some skin in the game. Students should be allowed to discharge loans in bankruptcy but the schools that took their money should have to eat a sizeable portion of the loss. There is nothing the government could do to improve education more. Market discipline has a way of doing that.

They never take the blame because leftwing democrats pretty much have a monopoly at colleges and universities. There is no way the democrats will blame themselves. There are countless programs that have failed horribly and there is never the slightest bit of scrutiny thrown their way. It is sort like the urban poor who vote almost exclusively for democrats and after 50+ years of voting that way, have nothing to show for it. There is little evidence to point to a reversal of this trend.
 
What kind of ass backwards thinking is this? So sorry about your $5000 health insurance deductible but 200 years ago they didn’t have zippiers so you’re actually lucky. Not.
200 years ago the deductible was zero, zero because there was no heath insurance. 200 years ago anything remotely serious was a death sentence. Today, any person in this country, ANY PERSON, rich, poor, citizen, illegal, whatever, can walk into any ER and get treated. Try again.
 
200 years ago the deductible was zero, zero because there was no heath insurance. 200 years ago anything remotely serious was a death sentence. Today, any person in this country, ANY PERSON, rich, poor, citizen, illegal, whatever, can walk into any ER and get treated. Try again.

So this is a little awkward for you but there was heath insurance 200 years ago.

Interestingly, George Washington mandated shipowners purchase heath insurance for their crewman. I don’t blame you for not knowing that but you certainly should have known there was heath insurance.
 
So this is a little awkward for you but there was heath insurance 200 years ago.

Interestingly, George Washington mandated shipowners purchase heath insurance for their crewman. I don’t blame you for not knowing that but you certainly should have known there was heath insurance.

Do you have a citation about this.... it would be an interesting read. Thanks.
 
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