For the masses? Not even close, but that ain't the point You're one of these people think everything up to and including owning an iPhone should be a constitutional right. Ain't gonna happen. What Carlson is saying, and the whole point of this thread is lets quit pretending like we have, or are even trying to create some type of utopia where everything is fair and just. We're a shining city on the hill? Yeah, compared to what? All the other shitholes around the world? The bar ain't that high by comparison. We're not Gods chosen people, it's still dog eat dog, and we pretty much treat each other like shit when push comes to shove. Everybody isn't going to be saved by the great American experiment, and that's just how it is.
Tucker Carlson has sparked the most interesting debate in conservative politics
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Utopia doesnt exist so no answer will ever be 100% right. Those politicians who promise such things are just setting themselves up to look stupid, wrong, or clueless.
Like Obama passing a law mandating what private insurance companies must cover and then speaking for them and saying nothing will change..... haha.....like they were not going to change rate structures to pay for all those things they now had to cover. Again, Obama did not lie, he just fell into the same utopia promise that any one with brains could have "Shhhhh don't say something you know just can never be true...."
The ACA did not cause my health care costs to change, the private insurance companies changed in response to the requirements of the ACA. A nutless monkey could have seen that coming....
Like Obama passing a law mandating what private insurance companies must cover and then speaking for them and saying nothing will change..... haha.....like they were not going to change rate structures to pay for all those things they now had to cover. Again, Obama did not lie, he just fell into the same utopia promise that any one with brains could have "Shhhhh don't say something you know just can never be true...."
The ACA did not cause my health care costs to change, the private insurance companies changed in response to the requirements of the ACA. A nutless monkey could have seen that coming....
Carlson asked some serious questions that went way over your head.
Uh, try again. Obama did lie and he knew it. It's been documented. And the problem isn't that they promise a Utopia. Just about every major policy action takes it's que from the outliers. Instead of designing a HC system that addresses the majority, they design it around treating the outliers, like a 65 yo male having to have pregnancy coverage because they cover ED. Never mind one is a choice and the other is a disease.
I say he did not lie because I feel they actually believe their plans and policies in the best case scenerios or what their staff tells them how to sell it. When Bush said "No new taxes" I also feel he believed it at the time. Things change or private sector reacts to the law a way any normal industry would but it is never considered.
Now Trump...he certainly lies knowing full well in advance that Mexico was never going to pay for the Wall
.The problem with ACA is simple, it mandated coverage for many people who could not afford it and also forced companies to stop bumping people from pre-existing conditions. Ok great ideas to spread health care to those would have otherwise been denied coverage, but someone still has to pay for it. So no surprise health insurance companies changed the plans being offered and raise premiums/rates.
Simple economics, you want it, you pay for it. You cannot pay for it, well someone will still pay for it.
The only thing that was meritorious was the attempt to fix the pre-existing condition situation where companies would deny you coverage because you already were sick.
There is a very serious misunderstanding here. There is statutory law, since the Reagan presidency, requiring ERs to treat emergencies regardless of ability to pay. So quality has naturally adjusted to accommodate reality. M.D.s refer to ER treatment of the indigent as "Treat and Street". That should tell you all you need to know.
It is most likely, I would think, that underlying all of the problems associated with U.S. healthcare are costs double the next highest cost healthcare in the world due to failure of U.S. capitalist markets to adjust well to situations in which the buyer can not walk away if he doesn't like the price. In the U.S., instead of making the necessary accommodations and adjustments we have protected special interests with extreme regulatory capture, making it impossible for the special nature of modern healthcare to be accommodated at reasonable cost. Instead we have produced major economic distortions and large numbers of people being shut out of an essential service. We should simply copy what is done everywhere else in the industrialized world.I say he did not lie because I feel they actually believe their plans and policies in the best case scenerios or what their staff tells them how to sell it. When Bush said "No new taxes" I also feel he believed it at the time. Things change or private sector reacts to the law a way any normal industry would but it is never considered.
Now Trump...he certainly lies knowing full well in advance that Mexico was never going to pay for the Wall
The problem with ACA is simple, it mandated coverage for many people who could not afford it and also forced companies to stop bumping people from pre-existing conditions. Ok great ideas to spread health care to those would have otherwise been denied coverage, but someone still has to pay for it. So no surprise health insurance companies changed the plans being offered and raise premiums/rates.
Simple economics, you want it, you pay for it. You cannot pay for it, well someone will still pay for it.
The only thing that was meritorious was the attempt to fix the pre-existing condition situation where companies would deny you coverage because you already were sick.
It's a red herring. If you took every male over the age of 65 and treated them for ED the cost would be trivial provided the drugs came from Canada, the UK, Western Europe, or central or South America. Any good healthcare system must include outliers. The reality is the U.S. Health care system is wrong, and everywhere else in the developed world is right by comparison. Let's stop denying the obvious and fix things. That means of course that someone will make less money. Too bad, so sad. Get on with it anyway.
This is the issue. Health care is a private industry basically so capitalism rules and maybe not the best-ism to have overseeing how doctors treat patients.
Pretty frustrating reading how various treatments are discouraged/lobbied against by pharma because it would mean their drugs would not be used in treatment and cannot have that happen and they make less money.
Best comment I read once was the reason why no one really recommends healthy diets/clean living to treat various metabolic syndromes is because pharma cannot patent, control and profit from it.